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Posted: September 02 2006 at 09:07

Anyone ever heard this song, or listen to any music in this vein? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5418364919323770701&q=oblawa&hl=en

I liked this song from day one, think its like a very popular kind of folk celebration song thing for polish people. But i think its awesome!

Anyways just curious if anyone is into this, and if it even has a specific genre...i cant put my finger on it, its not quite folk, its not rock, its certainly not prog...what is it?

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Posted: September 02 2006 at 09:46

Hey, that's Jacek Kaczmarski! He was the bard of Solidarność (you know what solidarność was, don't you?). His songs were sung by the Opposition struggling with the communist government.
As for the genre we in Poland call it a "poetical song". The lyrics are the most important thing in it and the music is rather simple.

Edited by Tuzvihar - September 02 2006 at 10:22

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Posted: September 02 2006 at 10:17

i like it, but i have no clue what your talking about...never heard of solidarnosc!

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Posted: September 02 2006 at 10:21

The Lost Chord wrote:

i like it, but i have no clue what your talking about...never heard of solidarnosc!

Never heard of the great Polish movement that caused the communist system to collapse? Never heard of Lech Walesa?

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Posted: September 02 2006 at 16:21

Yep, Kaczmarski was a great songwriter. I discovered him thanks to a discussion with my parents about two weeks ago. He is very much in the style of his idol, Vladimir Wysocki, a russian bard. BTW, it's a bit of shame not to know about Solidarność

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Posted: September 02 2006 at 19:32

I am American....im foolish, extremely foolish when it comes to history. We, as Americans, basically know nothing about the history of our world.

We grow up on textbooks telling us Columbus was good, and the Indiands were savages.

I can't really blame my country or my education, but this is because I don't see any blame due. I have a strong bias against history being of importance to someone like me.

I have the ability to research what you are talking about, and I also have the ability to research ANYTHINg in history...but I hate, hate the subject of history and could care LESS that George Washington was the first United States president.

I DEFINITELY do not discrimintae history or condemn it, I just personally have no care at all for it. It has never helped me, ever. I will die an old man one day and I will only need my memories or what is left of them, I don't need Solidarność...im just trying to make a point without sounding foolish or insulting

I really do respect history, and knowers of history! But i just dont know any

...and I think the same amount of respect is due for people that don't feel a need to understand all the events of the past

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Posted: September 02 2006 at 19:35

"It has never helped me, ever"....to clarify this so as I dont get attacked...

I am speaking in present tense here, ofcourse historical events have made me who I am today, but the knowledge of them I feel is irrelevent now, for me.

I am not entering politics, if I were I would gain a vast knowledge of politics. I could equally tell you and everyone here I find it appauling, and extremely sad, that you don't know my dogs name and how old he is

....its knowledge you don't care to own because it is quite irrelevent to your life.

For me, history has served no relevence at all to my life...I have learned from historical events why I am here and what has happened in the past, thats enough, I dont need anything else. Thanks!

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Posted: September 02 2006 at 19:39

Tuzvihar wrote:

The Lost Chord wrote:

i like it, but i have no clue what your talking about...never heard of solidarnosc!

Never heard of the great Polish movement that caused the communist system to collapse? Never heard of Lech Walesa?

In TLC's defense, even though I think one should be aware of this, he was very young during the "Solidarity" movement and the demise of communism across Eastern Europe - doubt he remembers watching the vivid images of the Berlin Wall coming down on television.

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Posted: September 02 2006 at 19:44

not at all, i have no idea. Honestly, because I feel very strongly about this...If you were to ask me what the Berlin Wall is I would tell you I dont really know, but I do have a sense it has something to do with communism. Thats all ive ever known or cared for with that in mind.

I am not insulting anything historically, to make that my point...its hard to explain, id love to talk about it in person...essentially I respect the past, historical events, what brought me to where I am today...but more importantly, I need to know whats happening NOW and how to get around TODAY, I need to know about business, bills, insurance, health care...things like this, I dont need to know HOW they came to be, I need to know HOW to use them to better my life!!!

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Posted: September 02 2006 at 21:21

The Lost Chord wrote:

...I respect the past, historical events, what brought me to where I am today...but more importantly, I need to know whats happening NOW and how to get around TODAY, I need to know about business, bills, insurance, health care...things like this, I dont need to know HOW they came to be, I need to know HOW to use them to better my life!!!

But you're listening prog. There are many references to history, myths, legends of different countries etc in many prog albums. Isn't it interesting to know at least what these things are about?

And you're communicating with people now, you'll be communicating with them in your business. Don't you think it's pretty dull to talk with a person who only knows about "bills, insurance, health care...things like this"?

Edited by NotAProghead - September 02 2006 at 21:48

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Posted: September 02 2006 at 21:42

lucas wrote:

Yep, Kaczmarski was a great songwriter. I discovered him thanks to a discussion with my parents about two weeks ago. He is very much in the style of his idol, Vladimir Wysocki, a russian bard. BTW...

Yes, the style and energy of Kaczmarski and Vysotsky are similar, but voices are completely different.

By the way, on the same page (with Kaczmarski song) there are Russian animations "Nu pogodi" (could be translated like "Wait, I'll catch you!"). If someone's interesting what was favourite animation of children from former Soviet Union from 70's 'till now, try them, it's quite funny. You don't need to know Russian language to understand animations. Each episode tells the complete story, so you can watch them in arbitrary order.

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Posted: September 03 2006 at 05:59

im not maiing my point clearly i know....ofcourse i know a good amount about history and i can carry on a good conversation about it, and ofcourse i love the lyrics about my6thology and am always interested in that.

its just certain things, i dont know aboutm, and i dont really acre

i doubt ill ever need to know about sarlodinocs or wnhatevre it is, nor the berlin wall....its useless to me now. to ME, hence, im not insluting anyone

i know a lot about history but somethings i just dont, thats it and thats all, its jus for decoration thas it and thas alll jus fo decoration the whistles go WOO WOOO!!!

later dude

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Posted: September 03 2006 at 10:12

Oh dear... it seems the wheels are falling off your cart, Brian! History is far more important than you think, even if you vehemently decide not to care (which is a shame).

So you're not interested in finding out about Timothy Leary? I use this example, because of your love for The Moody Blues. Or how about all those old tradition folk songs that Fairport Convention perform? Without those historical songs, Fairport Convention wouldn't even exist!

The computer you use... are you not remotely interested in the history of computing? Even the rudimentary bits?

Everything you do, every day, deals with history. What I've just typed is now history.

It's not something you can just sweep under the hearth rug and try and avoid. Yes the present and the future are important also, I'm not denying that, but with a mix of all three, it's going to affect your livelyhood in the long run.

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Posted: September 03 2006 at 11:45

no GECKO NO!! dude im not talking about history in THAT respect, im talking about history in the things ive olearned in class.

for the MOST part the things ive learned in class are things i know, but really dont have any interest. like i said im being stupid and im not making my point clearly, but ill try to clarify.

i would LOVE to learn about tim learey, ofcourse! That to me is no where near what I am talking about here. This historical even involving communism, right off the bad, has lost my interest. If im not mistaken it seems like just another major historical event that people should know, but its not necessarily interesting and not everybody does know it

"Everything you do, every day, deals with history. What I've just typed is now history."

im on a different page brother, im not talking about that "history" at all...i have made a bad point of that i know. I cant explain myself any further than the fact that I love "historical" things, damn, prog is historicaL for christs sake!!! But for me we're talking "The Holocaust" vs. "Timothy Learey" or "Musical History".

Im talking two different plans here, well, billions of differentplains.

Im gonna drop it hear because i see your all making good points against me that i whole heartedly agree with, im not an idiot. The point im making is just out there...i guess i cant explain it well

Believe it or not, we are really talking about philosophy here...at least in my mind. My point is all philosohpical incolving "worth" and ones self interest....but like i said ive gotta drop it cuz its a real hard thing to debate now hahaa!

But Gecko, trust me man, i know alot more than you would think after what ive said. Im just being missunderstood here, but id adore learning about tim learey, i love so many things involving history and i love learning new things althought i find myself just inadvertently learning them all of the time!

Anywyas, just trying to get myself out of the mud puddle here and get a little glimpse of respect

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Posted: September 03 2006 at 18:31

TLC, I can understand that you find points of history to be of little or no relevance to your every day life, but I really do believe that if we dont understand where we, as a people, have come from then we cant really understand where we're going and are doomed to replocate the mistakes of the past, and some of them have been particularly bad.

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