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Topic: Is bass guitar the new lead guitar? Posted: August 09 2006 at 03:50 |
I've spent a while in the last couple of days here at PA looking through the old and new versions of the Rogues Gallery (which is, may I say, the most successful thread started by lil' ol' me). Many of you post pictures posing with, or playing your favorite musical instruments (fair enough, I'd post one of me with my Hammond if I had such a piccie) - and I noticed a trend...
A majority seem to be bass guitars.
When I was in my teens, there were of course many of us who had/played instruments, but a vast majority were lead guitars - nobody wanted to play bass guitar...
OK, the 1970s was the time of the guitar hero, but there are just as many (arguably more) great players now as there were then; conversely, although the bass guitarist has come more to the fore in recent years (especially in certain areas of prog), we had outstanding players back in the 1970's, too (ah - the 1970s, when bass guitars only had 4 strings...).
So - is it just my perception, or has the bass guitar overtaken the lead guitar as the instrument of choice, and if so, why?
...and for a bonus point, why are bass guitarists now unsatisfied with 4 strings, and prefer the 5 & 6 string versions - and don't give me the "they're more versatile" argument before listening to 4 string players like Jaco Pastorius, Jeff Berlin, Dave Holland, Geddy Lee et al.
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Posted: August 09 2006 at 03:53 |
I hear there are a couple songs on The Dreams of Men with pretty active bass.
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Posted: August 09 2006 at 05:08 |
4 string are way cooler than more, I bought a five stringer, but found myself hardly ever touching the fifth. But to be honest, bass guitar is a lot easier to learn to play, I think that's why a lot of people play that instrument. The downside is it's a lot lot lot harder instrument to master.
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Posted: August 09 2006 at 05:17 |
Perhaps because of the influence of progmetal (Dream Theater) and musicians like Tony Levin that the bass guitar is more popular?
Listening to Riverside I notice that the bass work is very powerful and omnipresent.
By the way, I love the 6-string bass guitar sound, it's so pure R&R !
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Posted: August 09 2006 at 05:42 |
Jim Garten wrote:
I've spent a while in the last couple of days here at PA looking through the old and new versions of the Rogues Gallery (which is, may I say, the most successful thread started by lil' ol' me). Many of you post pictures posing with, or playing your favorite musical instruments (fair enough, I'd post one of me with my Hammond if I had such a piccie) - and I noticed a trend...
A majority seem to be bass guitars.
When I was in my teens, there were of course many of us who had/played instruments, but a vast majority were lead guitars - nobody wanted to play bass guitar...
OK, the 1970s was the time of the guitar hero, but there are just as many (arguably more) great players now as there were then; conversely, although the bass guitarist has come more to the fore in recent years (especially in certain areas of prog), we had outstanding players back in the 1970's, too (ah - the 1970s, when bass guitars only had 4 strings...).
So - is it just my perception, or has the bass guitar overtaken the lead guitar as the instrument of choice, and if so, why?
...and for a bonus point, why are bass guitarists now unsatisfied with 4 strings, and prefer the 5 & 6 string versions - and don't give me the "they're more versatile" argument before listening to 4 string players like Jaco Pastorius, Jeff Berlin, Dave Holland, Geddy Lee et al.
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Well, I'm a guitarist and from my perspective bass guitar is a bit easier to play in the usual part-time hobby band situation. By that I mean cover bands which play standard rock/metal songs ... of course when you're in a prog or jazz band, things are quite different. Other pro bass arguments: - Easier to play & sing simultaneously (usually)
- Instrument is easier to tune and to keep in tune, strings rarely ever break
- people usually don't hear subtle bass mistakes, in comparison to lead guitar
- Most of the time you're in the background, playing a supportive role for the other players & vocalists ... that means you have more opportunities to interact with the audience
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Posted: August 09 2006 at 06:52 |
I can't play any instrument, but I love the bass guitar - and somebody has recently offered to teach me how to play it! I'm not sure I will ever become the next Chris Squire, but you never know... I might just put out an ad in order to find some musicians for my future band!
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Posted: August 09 2006 at 10:27 |
I think that play bass and sing simultaneously is more difficult than play guitar and sing. Because the bass and drum run together and harmony is very important too and the bassist can't stop. Simultaneously is more difficult for me, in that order, drums, keyboards, bass and guitar.
In Brazil is very common people learn to play acoustic guitar and sing, maybe because bossa nova or traditional music from Brazil people is more prone for that.
I'm bass player and this is my opinion about it.
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Posted: August 09 2006 at 10:36 |
Guitar is still king!
But there has been indeed a raise in love for the bass primarily due to John Myung it seems.
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Posted: August 09 2006 at 10:54 |
zFrogs wrote:
I think that play bass and sing simultaneously is more difficult than play guitar and sing. Because the bass and drum run together and harmony is very important too and the bassist can't stop. Simultaneously is more difficult for me, in that order, drums, keyboards, bass and guitar.
In Brazil is very common people learn to play acoustic guitar and sing, maybe because bossa nova or traditional music from Brazil people is more prone for that.
I'm bass player and this is my opinion about it. |
Think of: - Geddy Lee
- Les Claypool
- Tom Araya
- Sting
Sure, it's not easy ... but manageable. But of course a bassist will have to make compromises in order to sing and play simultaneously. BTW: I agree that to sing and play drums simultaneously must be the most difficult task ... but in the case of keyboards it totally depends on what they're playing.
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Posted: August 09 2006 at 11:27 |
Don't forget Lemmy either.
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Posted: August 09 2006 at 11:29 |
There are plenty more... Richard Sinclair, Glenn Hughes , even Chris Squire (who's got an excellent voice and sings most of the backing vocals for Yes), to name but a few. Ah, and that guy from Riverside, Mariusz Duda... I've only heard a couple of songs from them, but he sure can sing.
Edited by Ghost Rider - August 09 2006 at 11:30
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Posted: August 09 2006 at 11:39 |
On lead bass.... Nigel Tufnel!
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Posted: August 09 2006 at 12:17 |
ivansfr0st wrote:
Don't forget Lemmy either |
Lemmy's that most curious of animals, a bass guitarist who effectivly plays as if it's a rhythm guitar... and a bloody loud one, at that!
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Posted: August 09 2006 at 12:52 |
The guitar is still played by much more people. Among us proggers, it's a little bit different. A lot of people who are interested in music as a hobby and play music as a hobby didn't notice the full potential of a bass guitar. In simple rock music or punk music, the bass lines are often so simple that they fade in with the music. When you're not passionated about music, you just get over the bass and sees it as a instrument which isn't that important. However, as you get more interested in music, you finally notice how much of a big impact the bass really has. I just noticed that this whole thing might has come off as pretentious but I didn't mean it
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Posted: August 09 2006 at 12:56 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
I can't play any instrument, but I love the bass guitar - and somebody has recently offered to teach me how to play it! I'm not sure I will ever become the next Chris Squire, but you never know... I might just put out an ad in order to find some musicians for my future band!
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A DT cover band, eh?
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Posted: August 09 2006 at 13:00 |
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- Geddy Lee
- Les Claypool
- Tom Araya
- Sting
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I actually find it amazing that Claypool can play bass lines like Jerry Was a Racecar Driver and Tommy the Cat and sing at the same time.
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Posted: August 09 2006 at 13:04 |
well, a lot of it is because people realized that bassists were needed and there were too many bad guitarists. Bassist were in high demand, and yes, songs when you start out are much easier (smells like teen spirit, money, etc.).
I play a four string myself. A lot of the motivation behind 5 and 6 strings are because some bassists wanted to have more interesting tones or lower sound so they could easily be heard (low b is very noticeable). It makes an interesting blend. Also, they wouldn't have to detune. With the influx of specialty bass players (les claypool, john myung, justin chancellor, and, unforunately, bassists like Fieldy of Korn and all the terrible new metal bassists, fivers or sixers have become trendy. People think # of strings = talent (b/c guitarists have 6 and are often viewed as the one with the most talent.
However, in the prog realm, most younger bassists are good, b/c we have exposure to a variety of different playing styles, time sigs, keys, rhythms, and regional styles.
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