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Poll Question: Which one is better (overall)?
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    Posted: May 28 2006 at 20:45
i need some help here, im getting into opeth, my favorite now is ghost reveries, but i want to know the opinion of everybody in this forum

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 20:48
I prefer Blackwater Park, then GR and Morningrise.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 20:57
My Arms Your Hearse is the basis for everything Opeth released later.  The only difference is some refinement of production. 

Really, it's the only essential 5-star Opeth album in my opinion (not discounting the others as being bad by any means).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 22:55
Yeah, I'm really into My Arms, Your Hearse, personally. It's a very well-balanced effort. Good all the way through, really.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 23:00
Maybe the lighter, but i prefer Damnation...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 23:15
Originally posted by Dalkaen Dalkaen wrote:

Yeah, I'm really into My Arms, Your Hearse, personally. It's a very well-balanced effort. Good all the way through, really.


To make bold statements against albums people really love because of the more refined sound, I'd say that every album following My Arms, Your Hearse is an attempt to deconstruct the sound just enough to make it more mass-marketable.  That is to say, Opeth ceased to be a progressive band after the release of MAYH.  Can you tell a real difference in Karma and Deliverance?  The exact same format:  heavy death metal with acoustic interludes and soft melodic passages alternating between melodic space rock and the Gothenburg style.

If we're arguing about the "masterpiece," it couldn't be any other album except this one.  Even the concept of Ghost Reveries is a throwback to this album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 23:40
Probably Still Life, but Ghost Reveries is really really good!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2006 at 00:23
Still Life, Blackwater Park, Morningrise, Damnation, Ghost Reveries, My Arms Your Hearse, Deliverence, and Orchid
In that order.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2006 at 02:04

the only one I have is Orchid, which is excellent.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2006 at 02:55
Originally posted by video vertigo video vertigo wrote:

the only one I have is Orchid, which is excellent.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2006 at 03:03
Originally posted by HeirToRuin HeirToRuin wrote:

Originally posted by Dalkaen Dalkaen wrote:

Yeah, I'm really into My Arms, Your Hearse, personally. It's a very well-balanced effort. Good all the way through, really.


To make bold statements against albums people really love because of the more refined sound, I'd say that every album following My Arms, Your Hearse is an attempt to deconstruct the sound just enough to make it more mass-marketable.  That is to say, Opeth ceased to be a progressive band after the release of MAYH.  Can you tell a real difference in Karma and Deliverance?  The exact same format:  heavy death metal with acoustic interludes and soft melodic passages alternating between melodic space rock and the Gothenburg style.

If we're arguing about the "masterpiece," it couldn't be any other album except this one.  Even the concept of Ghost Reveries is a throwback to this album.
 
My Arms, Your Hearse may have been a basis for a lot of their later work, but it seems like too often bands get knocked for making albums that are partial recreations of an old sound or idea, when a good portion of them are really improving on the past work. Such is a case here. Opeth is building, expanding and refining the sounds they started to develop with My Arms, Your Hearse both in composition and production. They are all great albums though.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2006 at 03:55
All of those albums are great, so its not really of importance where you start (in the end you will most likely buy all of them anyway). I think MAYH is the best, but if you unused to growling vocals, try Blackwater Park. But as I said, wathever you buy, you won't get disappointed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2006 at 04:08
I think they peaked with Blackwater Park, and that they naturally developed a more refined sound. Like most bands do over the years.

Heir to Ruin, couldn't you make the same example with And You and I - To be Over? Or different songs from different albums by almost any other band? Like Knots - On Reflection.

I understand what you're saying, but I think Opeth actually tries to refine and progress.
Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2006 at 04:45
MORNINGRISE
DAMNATION
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2006 at 05:16
Blackwater Park
Still Life
Morningrise
Damnation
Ghost Reveries
Deliverance
My Arms, Your Hearse
Orchid

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2006 at 05:29
Originally posted by HeirToRuin HeirToRuin wrote:

Originally posted by Dalkaen Dalkaen wrote:

Yeah, I'm really into My Arms, Your Hearse, personally. It's a very well-balanced effort. Good all the way through, really.


To make bold statements against albums people really love because of the more refined sound, I'd say that every album following My Arms, Your Hearse is an attempt to deconstruct the sound just enough to make it more mass-marketable.  That is to say, Opeth ceased to be a progressive band after the release of MAYH.  Can you tell a real difference in Karma and Deliverance?  The exact same format:  heavy death metal with acoustic interludes and soft melodic passages alternating between melodic space rock and the Gothenburg style.

If we're arguing about the "masterpiece," it couldn't be any other album except this one.  Even the concept of Ghost Reveries is a throwback to this album.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2006 at 06:30
Orchid
My Arms, Your Hearse
Blackwater Park
Deliverance
Morningrise
Still Life
Ghost Reveries
 
I cannot place Damnation in amongst that (even though i really like it), because of its vastly different nature.
 
I will now talk generally: If your after songs with many many riff change-ups which interrupt the flow of the music and account for less competent song writing IMO (less competent for the fact that the artist needs to insert hundreds of smaller, more different riffs, into a peice to build up the minutes rather than actually taking us through a coherent musical journey forging the future from the past), & more chugging, monotonous riffs in the heavier sections, then go for Ghost Reveries as so many people seem to be doing.
 
If your willing to put in some effort rather than play it 'safe' (reletively), then submerge yourself in the "more metalic" Orchid. Yes, it is cold in some aspects, yes it is a bit raw in some aspects...but so is life in all its variation and beauty - and i think the melodies and harmonies here (some of which being quite warm) provide the needed balance to the equation. I haven't heard many peices of music that take one through such a musical journey as Orchid. Sure it might not be as bouncy or as immediately busy as Ghost Reveries (arrangement wise), but for richness, creativity, profound beauty and sustained NARATIVE in melody and harmony, Orchid reigns, IMO. This review will reveal that while i love progressive rock and some progressive metal (along with classical music & death/black metal), i do think that a piece of music is actually progressive unless this is reflected in the actual tones and notes of the music - i.e. a piece of music progressing in its course in relation to sound melody and harmony, employing dissonance and consenance etc, taking the listening somewhere rather than picking him/her up ubruptly and putting him/her down in the same fashion, and thus most importantly - reflecting the classical tradition in all the new forms available to rock musicians.
 
Having said this i do like Ghost Reveries, but (somewhat in line with the above comments re: my arms your hears representing the pinacle of Opeth's 'progression'); if we are talking progression on this website, then i certainly cannot see how Ghost Reveries has seen the band continuing to "progress", except perhaps in relation to their bank account.
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2006 at 06:55
thread problem has been fixed.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2006 at 08:20
Of the albums I own (Still Life through GR), Ghost Reveries is my favorite and I view it as a masterpiece of prog metal.  Second for me would be Blackwater Park.  Based on this thread I'm inclined to try MAYH, even though I found Still Life to be the weakest of the albums I own and it got glowing reviews from pretty much everyone.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2006 at 08:36
Damnation is a masterpiece!!!!
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