Prog - integral part of rock/metal?

The name says it all: progressive ROCK.

ivansfr0st wrote: It depends on the group! Some move away from rock so far that the -rock part doesn't make any sense anymore.    -- Ivan

Prog is Prog - and Prog is where you find it.

It's more of an attitude and a means of expression than a genre, which is why no-one can satisfactorily define what it is.

Some metal bands may incorporate Prog elements - indeed, through the history of metal, the genre can be seen as Prog's little brother.

The thing is, that other genres can come close to Prog as well - so it's not just metal.

Ambient and electronic are the best examples of this - and neither sounds anything like metal - and often nothing like Rock either!

I like Metal Music but its genre has no relation to Prog.

I think prog is a different genre, take for example Univers Zero it doesn't even resemble rock anymore, it therefore IMHO is a different and still developing style of music, kind of a neo classical jazz  psychodelic thing.

I think there are a considerable number of bands that has no rock or metal elements.

Some Indio-Prog has nothing to do with rock (or at least i haven't seen any relaton with rock), and some bands listed as fusion has many non rock albums, for example the album from shakti& mc laughlin is not rock, Comus - First Utterance is not rock, Absolute Zero albums are not rock., something of Pat Metheny that is just jazz,.. .

Vompatti wrote: The name says it all: progressive ROCK.

progressive elements are an integral part of any style of music.  without it, the music stagnates and can never evolve.  

Progressive rock was a movement from 1967 to about 1975 just like grunge was in the ninteys, it had its run and then died out only to be followed by retro bands and 70's sympathisers. The fact that a band is on this site does not make them prog, but if you strictly conformed to the rules there would be 500 bands instead of 2000 something. Not all bands that are complex, use poly rythoms, use pseudo-classical structures or have 20 minute songs are prog, just like not all new bands that combine punk\alternative\metal riffs are considerd Grunge (except on a grunge web site). Sigur Ros is not prog nor did they ever intend to be, the outside world calls them Postrock or whatever term they will come up with for the new movement. They do not deserve the baggage of being labeled "dinasauor music" or a saviour of a long dead movement. They are most influnced by technology and current culture just like "prog" was in the seventys; when that technology and culture changes so does the music and it does not maintain the same points of referance. Stop retro labeling bands! The term prog is claiming bands that it does not have the right to claim! There is no historical precedent to justify this practice of genre oreintated name dropping.