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    Posted: April 16 2006 at 15:57

What i sometimes wonder is how you learn to appreciate an album?

It's quiet obvious now that everybody has different tastes... but how exactly do you come to liking something? Is it because it's being highly recommended that you automaticly will like it more yourself? I think that's just a small factor ...

I think first of all i need to listen a few times to an Album to even be able to judge it. Since i don't listen to this prog stuff for a long time already i can still remember how I bought close to the edge. It was because it came so highly recommended, but when i listened it to the first time i thought what the hell ... present yet,  it's like my favorite album.

I now still get this feeling with many albums, some i come to like after a few runs, others ... well, i just put them away fast! Now those albums I put down fast don't always get bad reviews here,... for example, i once listened to this album from faust, called faust. Even though it gets good reviews, i think .. what the hell is this? I gave it like 2 more tries later (not getting to the 3th track to be honest), but still it doesn't get to me... Some people even claim the Faust album to be the best EVER... do they mean because it really gets them emotional, or just because it's artistically excellent and has a great composition ...?

Does this all mean i should listen to it some more? Or what's the deal?

And additional, for the people who review CD's, ... after how many listenings do you review a record? 3, 4 .. or is it more like 30, 50, 1000 times?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2006 at 16:18
Originally posted by Malice Malice wrote:

And additional, for the people who review CD's, ... after how many listenings do you review a record? 3, 4 .. or is it more like 30, 50, 1000 times?

On my own website you can include that information with your review, so that people can put the review into proper context. In the archives I'd say that you shouldn't submit a review if you're not sure that it represents your final opinion. Of course even if you think that it's final it may chance later, as you explore more styles and bands.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2006 at 16:24
Well, not every one likes the same music and some genres are harder to get into than others since they are more complex ect. In Faust case its very hard to get into and not everyone likes it or the genre they are in because it isn't as easy as, lets say, symphonic prog or neo-prog. So it's perfectly normal not to like some bands.

You can also try and do is to let it rest for some time and listen to them again after you get more related to the sound of them. I've done it alot of times and it worked for me with other bands (and I'm doing it with Faust too)

Now on the review, I sometime listen to the album tons of times and still don't know if i should review it or not. And there are also times when I listen to the album like 5-6 times and make a review out of it. I think it should be reviewed when one is confident in their judgement of the album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2006 at 16:27
I really enjoy doing first listen reviews on my website ... it's much easier than "real" reviews. You just listen to the album and write down what comes to your mind. Then later you can go back and write a more in depth review.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2006 at 16:27

When I buy a new album I use to listen to it three consecutive times. It's amazing how much your mind can change between the first and the third time. Then I usually let some days pass and after that I listen to it the fourth time: that time usually represents for me my definitive opinion about the album. So I never would make a review before that fourth listening.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2006 at 18:04
Im hearing Sigur Rós Takk... and I can tell you I will have to listen to it mor etimes to fully apretiate it...but I won´t go down without a fight!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2006 at 18:31
Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Im hearing Sigur Rós Takk... and I can tell you I will have to listen to it mor etimes to fully apretiate it...but I won´t go down without a fight!!!


...and by the end of it all you'll like it

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2006 at 18:33
Its always going to depend where each individual is coming from in order to appreciate a particular album.  Age, experience, background, personality, what emotional stimuli you prefer out of your music, etc.  Also peoples favour to a certain album might be for different reasons,  some might like it more for the technical musicianship side of the compositions, some might just like the sheer emotion, some dig the lyrics, others might appreciate an album by putting it in its historical context and how that band/album might have strongly influenced other bands which they enjoy, and  others might be more into the production/studio side of the process and like to understand how the band got a certain guitar tone, etc.  And me for instance I look at albums from all different angles, like the dimensions I listed above.  Its not hard for me "personally" to describe all the reasons why I like an album, though it might be different for a person attempting a fair and objective review for post it on the website. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2006 at 03:53

I think that to genuinely like an album or to genuinely dislike it you need to give it some time. But you also have to take care not to fall into the Acquired-taste-trap, because it is an unevitable fact that the more you listen to an album the more your ears get used to it, and the more you catch its different pieces, and eventually you will find yourself anticipating the next chord, melody, solo, or vocal line. If this happens, your mind will automatically register this album as "good", just for the simple fact that it knows it well, and therefore feels comfortable with it.

In other words, to best "judge" an album, you need to (actively) listen to it between 3 and 5 times. Then you can rate it using the star-system. But to "review" it, you will need to listen to it another 3 or 5 times (without changing the rating previously given).

Also... to get over the Acquired-taste-trap, I usually distance myelf from the album in question for a couple of months, maybe even a year or more, depending on how strongly I feel I have fallen in the trap. Of course this doesn't work for albums that are connected with a specific personal experience or memory, but other than this you will often find yourself changing your mind about the abum after this "probation period".

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2006 at 11:23
most of the albums displayed on prog archive by artists such as  the beatles, king crimson, genesis, elp, yes, queen, deep purple, pink floyd, atomic rooster, wishbone ash, argent, rare bird, to mention but a few, must sound extraordinary to a young fan these days just getting into the HUGE subject of progressive music. for me, a prog fan of all these groups and their albums for nearly forty years, it has been a natural progression of experimentation, anticipating with exitement to how the next album will sound (often the group broke up - bitter disappointment!!),  attending live gigs and going from one fad to another over the years through good times and bad, everything was new, and many of these albums have remained lifelong friends. in those days the lp's you were carrying around were a cool social statement!  my mind boggles to think of somebody today trying to "soak up" forty years of music in no time at all and with all the new prog metal albums coming out as well.  back in 1967 the release of  "sgt. pepper", as with all beatles albums, was a national event, very exciting indeed! of course every new piece of music was "consumed" in a natural progression, and it hurts when somebody hearing it for the first time in 2006 might write it off as a "disjointed collection of silly pop songs" as it could seem today. mind you saying that, it is interesting hearing someone's gut reaction to hearing something you have lived with for years for the first time, favourable or unfavourable! when yes and genesis released their first few albums, these were an absolute revelation at the time, unbelievable music years ahead of its time. very heady days indeed, this was before some of us had even seen a colour television, and a computer was a thing of science fiction, and things that are taken for granted today were exciting news when they were first introduced! saying that, many prog albums have stood the test of time well, and are rightly enjoying the credit and appreciation they have long deserved and  cannot be written off in a few scribbled lines without some consideration about the time they were forged in. music goes round in circles these days, there is nothing really new, but i  have been amazed by modern prog bands such as porcupine tree, dream theater and riverside. so for those newly venturing out into prog rock, relax, take your time, it takes a long time to fully appreciate these classics. something you may hate now you will love years into the future. i wonder if porcupine tree and DT will still be pulling in the crowds and selling albums in forty years time? i certainly think so!Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2006 at 11:32
Sometimes you put an album aside and return to it and appreciate it after a year or more...

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