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rileydog22
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Topic: Roger Waters Pros and cons of hitchhiking Posted: April 01 2006 at 22:16 |
I just got this great album, but I noticed that the cover of my CD edition has a censor on the girl's butt. Does anyone else's copy have this?
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Witchwoodhermit
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Posted: April 02 2006 at 00:52 |
American? probally. It was common for this disc cover to be censored. Mine isn't, shame, I never get to see it because it is never (ever) played.
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stonebeard
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Posted: April 02 2006 at 01:06 |
How does it compare to Amused to Death? I love that album!
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Witchwoodhermit
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Posted: April 02 2006 at 01:11 |
Amused to Death has its moments, but I find Rogers voice to be mixed too low, that combined with the annoying female singers and their ever present chanting too much. I listened too this album a few times when it was released, not listened since.(if that is anything to go by).
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stonebeard
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Posted: April 02 2006 at 01:13 |
Witchwoodhermit wrote:
Amused to Death has its moments, but I find Rogers voice to be mixed too low, that combined with the annoying female singers and their ever present chanting too much. I listened too this album a few times when it was released, not listened since.(if that is anything to go by). |
Seeing how I "love it," I'm betting we're not on the same page. 
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Empathy
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Posted: April 02 2006 at 01:17 |
Yep, my CD of Pros and Cons is censored as well. Just be thankful that you live in a country that is so concerned about protecting your innocence! Now go watch Britney grind on some strangers lap on MTV.  BTW, I absolutely love Pros and Cons. the spatial imaging and overall production on that album are simply stunning. Eric Clapton is in absolute top form as well. Stonebeard, if you love Amused to Death, you definitely need to get a copy of Pros and Cons!
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Witchwoodhermit
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Posted: April 02 2006 at 01:59 |
Empathy said
Yep, my CD of Pros and Cons is censored as well. Just be thankful that you live in a country that is so concerned about protecting your innocence! Now go watch Britney grind on some strangers lap on MTV. 
Ah the land of freedom and bare faced hypocracy.
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Empathy
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Posted: April 02 2006 at 03:06 |
Witchwoodhermit wrote:
Ah the land of freedom and bare faced hypocracy. |
Sadly, one of several such lands...
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DantesRing
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 05:50 |
I love this album, but was there ever two people who needed each other more than Gilmour and Waters.
Gilmour's stuff is musically rich and has excellent tone, but no spark or inspiration.
Waters has concept, flair for the dramatic, and a lot to say, but the
music he creates is typically built upon a single idea, which is
repeated over and over and over.
Pros and cons is an excellent example. Thematically it works as it is
all part of a recurring nightmare, but you wish for something more
musically (um?) muscular and creative.
Amused to death falls into the same trap (What God Wants Part 1 and 2... and 3!).
Again, I know it's works to tie his theme together, but it almost seems
as if the music's an afterthought. It must be the case as he's had some
truly amazing musicians to work with (Clapton, Sanborn, Beck... to name
a couple), but they are, in every instance, only featured for their
solos. Clapton must have bored out of his mind. It's too bad that he
couldn't have had a collaboration with any of those people, instead of
ridgidly staying his course.
By the same token Gilmour completly lacks songwriting skills, as he
himself freely admits. Anything memorable out of the Floyd camp post
breakup was co-written with a ringer. The Floyd albums fall flat
because they aspire to be big, but are ultimately hollow inside (tastes
great, less filling).
Sorry for going off topic...
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Dirk
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 07:49 |
DantesRing wrote:
I love this album, but was there ever two people who needed each other more than Gilmour and Waters.
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I agree totally.Together we stand...
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 09:25 |
stonebeard wrote:
Witchwoodhermit wrote:
Amused to Death has its moments, but I find Rogers voice to be mixed too low, that combined with the annoying female singers and their ever present chanting too much. I listened too this album a few times when it was released, not listened since.(if that is anything to go by). |
Seeing how I "love it," I'm betting we're not on the same page. |
I second that - Amused to Death is one of the great albums of the 90s. Pros and Cons is not in the same league, not even close. It has a convoluted plot and musically it is uninspired (apart from the title track maybe). Clapton's contribution to Pros And Cons is pretty dire too, whereas Beck's contributions on Amused To Death are spot on.
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 10:43 |
What about Radio K.A.O.S.? I really like this one too although it's the most commercial of his works. But I enjoy the story of Billy. And the final piece - The Tide Is Turning - is very touching.
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
Charles Bukowski
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Dirk
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 10:55 |
Tuzvihar wrote:
What about Radio K.A.O.S.? I really like this one too although it's the most commercial of his works. But I enjoy the story of Billy. And the final piece - The Tide Is Turning - is very touching. |
Yes it has some great moments, some mediocre moments too.IMO more interesting than PF without Waters though.
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 11:31 |
I never liked any of Waters Solo Albums. Other that the one Tune What God Wants God Gets.
< -waters without floyd is like that
Yeah Bush is an Hypocrate and an idiot making the US look bad.
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Dominvm
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 12:00 |
Why I can't find Roger Waters in the band section?
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DantesRing
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 13:09 |
The main problem with KAOS is that it isn't more fully developed. Eight
songs are not enough to communicate the story he must have had in mind.
I do like that he took a chance with the music, taking it further away
from Floyd. Showed he was willing to grow, but there's just not enough
there.
That being said, I have a bootleg copy of one of his entire KAOS shows
from 87 where he mingled in outtakes from the album, Floyd songs, and
new dialogue between Jim Ladd and Billy, creating a complete work. If
only it could have come out like that, it would have been closer to a
masterpiece.
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An old fart
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 20:16 |
Answering the original question: in the copies sold in Finland the woman's bare butt can be seen.
Now taking side tracks... I personally think that each Waters solo work is better than the previous one. The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking for me represents a period in Waters career when he was more or less lost in musical direction. That applies also to his previous effort, The Final Cut by Pink Floyd.
Also during this particular 2 album period Waters' voice sounded very ugly during the highest notes, as if he's forcing his voice beyond its natural pitch range. This, in itself just a slight ache in the ears, makes it almost impossible for me to fully enjoy these albums, even though there are some fine songs on both of them.
On Radio K.A.O.S. Waters found more coherency in song writing and overall structural thinking over the whole piece. However this album also has its weaker tracks (Who Needs Information, The Powers That Be). Lyrically, it was also fortunately a kind of a return to his favourite themes (a fiery attack on war, monetarism and power politics through fictional characters).
I think that Amused to Death managed to crystallize his musical and lyrical aspirations. I rank it as high as most Pink Floyd material. Having also heard the latest, musically extremely disappointing EP/single, I am inclined to think that Amused to Death will also remain his best solo work.
Nevertheless, I am quite curious and hopeful about his future releases, that will recycle his favourite themes once more, 2 concept albums he's been working on, one on love and sex, the other on war and politics.
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int_2375
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 01:04 |
Empathy wrote:
Yep, my CD of Pros and Cons is censored as well. Just be thankful that you live in a country that is so concerned about protecting your innocence! Now go watch Britney grind on some strangers lap on MTV. 
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Its not the country, its the store or label that would have censored it. Walmart, I believe, won't sell albums with offensive images on them, so in the past I know Willie Nelson had to change a cover of his with a pot leaf on it to a palm leaf to sell it in Walmart.
Did you actually think the US passed a law against nudity on album covers?
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