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    Posted: October 25 2004 at 18:32
Okay, so I really got into prog rock about, eh, a year ago, and I've discovered a lot of bands I like. Yes, Rush, and Genesis are among my favorites, with others. I'm looking for some more modern-sounding prog, and I've heard a lot of names... Marillion, Spock's Beard, Flower Kings, etc... but I don't know where to start. Any suggestions?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2004 at 19:09

1. Marillion is a great early starter...The most accessible is Misplaced Childhood

2. Porcupine Tree

Avoid Spocks Beard at all costs!! There's a thread here already about the lousiness of Spocks Beard to learn why.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2004 at 22:40
Spock's Beard is good. It's just their lyrics i dont like. And mabye their singer is a litttttlle bit over the top, but he's still good.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2004 at 02:27
I agree with Panoramic,you might check out Spock's Beard at some later date if you must,but avoid them to begin with. Marillion is a good starting point,along with IQ,Pallas,Twelfth Night and Pendragon,all pioneers of the second wave of prog in the early 80's and all excellent.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2004 at 02:43

I'd also recommend the Enid - I wouldn't describe them as easily accessible, but very worth the effort. "In The Region of the Summer Stars" is classic prog - not exactly neo-prog, but modern sounding, symphonic and, in short, really good! A lot of Peter Hammill's solo work influenced neo-proggers, but his voice is very much a matter of taste and his style varies wildly after the first 4 albums. These latter are all great prog - but in the classic sense, rather than strictly neo-prog.

Twelfth Night's "Fact and Fiction" is for me the best example of true neo-prog, although again not easy to get into, with the first 3 Marillion albums coming in close behind. Don't be put off by the fact that any of these are not "immediate" - after all, I wouldn't be recommending you pop music!!

Start with "Script for a Jester's Tear", "Misplaced Childhood", "Brave" or "Marbles" by Marillion. They really are the doyens of so-called neo-prog, and you really can't go wrong with them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2004 at 03:36
These innocent questions from newbies on which bands to start with always deteriorates into a long shopping list that just winds up confusing the poor bugger,so I'll contract my suggestions to just one name,echoing the other posts: Marillion. Just go with them to begin with and start with the first album "Script For A Jester's Tear". Simple and to the point! The recommendation that is,not the album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2004 at 04:37
Originally posted by Panoramic Panoramic wrote:

1. Marillion is a great early starter...The most accessible is Misplaced Childhood

2. Porcupine Tree

Avoid Spocks Beard at all costs!! There's a thread here already about the lousiness of Spocks Beard to learn why.

Spock's Beard are not crap. 'The Light' is a classic prog album.

I can appreciate that you might not like them and advice is always useful to a newcommer but if you are going to 'rubbish' a band please qualify your remarks with more than a 'see other thread' caveat.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2004 at 04:46
Originally posted by sigod sigod wrote:

Spock's Beard are not crap. 'The Light' is a classic prog album.

Classic? Interesting hybrid of Yes meets Genesis meets Gentle Giant - and clever in the way they pull that hybridisation off too.  So very neo-prog too. So what about  new prog: The Mars Volta

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2004 at 05:42

The first three Marillion albums:

'Script for a jesters tear' 'Fugazi' and 'Misplaced Childhood' are all highly recommended. Also try their live 'mini' album 'Real to Reel' These are all prog classics, which stand up along side most of what was produced in the 1970's IMO.

'Once around the world' by It Bites, is brilliant. Well produced, well performed and very accessable.

'Subterranea' 'Seventh House' and 'Dark Matter' By IQ are also 'modern' classics. You may want to check out some of their earlier stuff too. They've had quite a few albums out. Read the reviews in the archives, I think they are good indicators of whats good and whats not They've not let me down.

To be honest I dont like the term neo-prog. Its all just prog rock to me, regardless of when it was produced. It seems reminiscent of the way that modern pop music and dance music culture pigeon holes, and sub-classifies its artists, (RnB, Urban etc..). Surely we are above that??

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2004 at 09:01
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by sigod sigod wrote:

Spock's Beard are not crap. 'The Light' is a classic prog album.

Classic? Interesting hybrid of Yes meets Genesis meets Gentle Giant - and clever in the way they pull that hybridisation off too.  So very neo-prog too. So what about  new prog: The Mars Volta

Point taken DH, maybe not classic then .

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2004 at 11:11
I always recommend Scandanavian prog in the form of Anglagard,Par Lindh Project and Flower Kings.All very worthy bands. I also love IQ and would recommend 'Ever' while Marillion's 'Seasons End' is the most classic 'neo prog' album in existence IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2004 at 11:55

I've never liked Spock's Beard or Dream Theater... don't even think of them as prog...  Now IQ I think as prog... but I've never liked them either. 

I agree with Marillion as far as their new album "Marbles", but they've always been a bit poppy for me too.  At least with Porcupine Tree you get some emotion and talent. Radiohead as well.  And theres a few things I like by Mostly Autumn.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2004 at 12:38

 

My first recommend: IQ!!!

"Tales from te eLush Attic" and/or "The Wake", to find out how they sounded like in their eralier years; "Ever" and/or "Dark Matter" (their 2004 release), to find out what they have grown into.

Also, any of MARILLION's first 3 albums, PENDRAGON's "The Jewel", CITIZEN CAIN (good neo-prog for the 90s and 00s), TWELFTH NIGHT's "Art and Illusion", PALLAS' "The Sentinel" (good old days) and "The Cross & the Crucible" (nowadays). Also, MAGENTA's "Seven", ILUVATAR's "A Story Two Days Wide", SCYTHE's "Divorced Land" (great neo from Germany), DAGHMAR's two albums (from Quebec), and from Poland - QUIDAM (any of their 3 albums), ABRAXAS (any of their 3 albums, as well) & COLLAGE ("Moonshine").

I hope I'm useful and not too exhausting. Regards. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2004 at 14:56

As PP says, you'll end up with a lengthy shopping list Sweetie!LOL

I'd just add Arena to what has gone before. If you have a look at their review pages, especially for "The visitor", "Immortal?" and "Contagion", you'll see that those who have come across them rate them highly.

I'd also defend Spock's Beard, they are indeed worthy.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2004 at 17:16
It sounds like a split between starting with either Marillion or IQ...

thank you everybody for the help!

and Thick as a Brick is one of my favorites, Easy Livin
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2004 at 17:47

Appears llike you've already made some choice, but may I still add Elton John's, Madman across the water to your shoppinglist.

will please somebody listen to that album and tell me I'm wrong in adoring it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2004 at 03:42
You are wrong in adoring it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2004 at 08:54
Thanx, finaly Im convinced I'm wrong, I thought the arguments where very well thought through and to the point. Thanks again for helping me see the error in my ways  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2004 at 08:59

It's good that you're susceptible to my deep and perceptive logic without me having to go into details. Spares me a lot of work.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2004 at 15:45
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I'd also recommend the Enid - I wouldn't describe them as easily accessible, but very worth the effort. "In The Region of the Summer Stars" is classic prog - not exactly neo-prog, but modern sounding, symphonic and, in short, really good!

 

Firstly, Clap, but secondly, "ITROTSS" was recorded in 1975, which falls within the "golden age". Neo-prog is a post punk, '80s affair.



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