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    Posted: February 01 2006 at 00:43
Come on! Five stars are for masterpieces. There are not that many albums who deserve this rank. It would be great if more of the reviews would be objective.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 00:45
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 00:46
Almost all of the 17 last reviews give five stars actually. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 00:46

Its good that people REALLY like their music!

Its a good thing

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 00:49
I have to agree, and i also dislike the 5-star rating system, should be 10.0
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 00:50
Originally posted by Bern Bern wrote:

Almost all of the 17 last reviews give five stars actually. 


so what!?! it's their opinion...plus nothing's wrong with 5 stars album...my god...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 00:52
People's opinions on what are masterpieces differ.... 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 00:54
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by Bern Bern wrote:

Almost all of the 17 last reviews give five stars actually. 


so what!?! it's their opinion...plus nothing's wrong with 5 stars album...my god...


I agree with you but giving 5 stars to every album you like may affect the objectivity of the final rating an album gets. I'm not totally against five stars. I sometimes use them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 00:56
Originally posted by Bern Bern wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by Bern Bern wrote:

Almost all of the 17 last reviews give five stars actually. 


so what!?! it's their opinion...plus nothing's wrong with 5 stars album...my god...


I agree with you but giving 5 stars to every album you like may affect the objectivity of the final rating an album gets. I'm not totally against five stars. I sometimes use them.


okay then...this subject has been discused in other topics...and the final word is that you cannot argue or consider inappropriate people's opinions and taste...
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 00:57
Now that i think about it....    it takes effort to write a review. There are just
more 5 stars because people want to share experiences more with their
favorite "5" star albums
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 00:57
I sure can't 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 01:49
Originally posted by Bern Bern wrote:

Come on! Five stars are for masterpieces. There are not that many albums who deserve this rank. It would be great if more of the reviews would be objective.


Yeah but 5 stars album came often with an explication.  But There's also a lot of vote rated 1 stars  and the most of them came without justification at all.  (and do not appear on the main page)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 02:36
Originally posted by Equimanthorn Equimanthorn wrote:

Now that i think about it....    it takes effort to write a review. There are just
more 5 stars because people want to share experiences more with their
favorite "5" star albums


Correct. I've given over 40% of my reviews 5* because I've reviewed my favourite albums first along with the top 30 or so. I can't yet summon up enthusiasm to review (say) "And then there were three" which is a fairly boring album worth 2/3*. When I do start to review the rest of my collection, the %age of 5* will drop.

But there are both the rather parsimonious (Hugues, who tends to be a very strict rater) and generous (Braindamage, who obviously loves his prog and gives lots of 5* reviews). Overall, they cancel out.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 03:51
Five stars for masterpieces??? I thought they were for something you just happened to like a lot at that particular point in time. How wrong can a guy be?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 04:07

Ideally of all albums in a given genre:

5* masterpieces should be 5% tops

4* excellent should be 25%

3* good albums should come to 25%

2* average albums to 25%

and 1* bad albums the remaining 20%

 

We are far from this  in our case.

 

the debate about too many 5* ratings is hardly new (thisis why there is this warning about using 5* as you click it, but it does not deter people from using it) and all collabs are aware of this!! This is why most collabs try to rate more in the middle

 

Unfortunately the younger members always are more enthusisatic and often have a fanboy attitude and certainly lack the sense of perspective an older proghead!!

let's just stay above the moral melee
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 05:15

Most people give 5 star ratings much more often than the archives want them to. I will not punish the albums by rating them 1 star less then everyone else just because I think that they should have done so.

Fact is: the tens of tousands of ratings in the database are not distributed like you want them to be. It's too late to change that, so if you choose to adhere strictly to the guidelines you will end up punishing your albums.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 05:26

 

  Maybe people prefer to spend time reviewing the albums they like . I'd sooner right a review for TLLDOB than Abacab or Brain Salad Surgery to Love Beach. A 10 * system would be much better .

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 05:41
The ratings should in theory follow a Gaussian bell curve, wtih the majority being at 3, a good deal at 2 and 4, and only very few at 1 or 5. But for some reason people seem to be reluctant about dealing out 1 star and enthusiastic about dealing out 5 stars. And there is of course an important factor to take into account: The proposed Gaussian bell-curve with the maximum at 3 would occur if the same number of people would rate all albums. There is a tendency though that people will review and rate albums they like (and hence recommend to others) rather than writing negative reviews about albums they dislike (unless they are really pissed off by an album for some reason). I must admit I notice that tendency in myself too. My chief goal is to bring forgotten gems back to the minds of people, so I will usually write about albums that fit into that category. They often have to be added to the database first, and there will be some more activities like that in the near future. And Jean is currently preparing to add Mother Gong, by the way, a band that is obviously missing, with one 5-star masterpiece ("Fairy Tales"; this album can not be recommended often enough) and several 4-star albums.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 05:54
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Ideally of all albums in a given genre:

5* masterpieces should be 5% tops

4* excellent should be 25%

3* good albums should come to 25%

2* average albums to 25%

and 1* bad albums the remaining 20%

 

We are far from this  in our case.

 

the debate about too many 5* ratings is hardly new (thisis why there is this warning about using 5* as you click it, but it does not deter people from using it) and all collabs are aware of this!! This is why most collabs try to rate more in the middle

 

Unfortunately the younger members always are more enthusisatic and often have a fanboy attitude and certainly lack the sense of perspective an older proghead!!




Please explain why there should be 20% one star reviews and 5% five star reviews ... Makes no sense.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 06:04

There are art critics out there who think Tracey Emmins tent is a masterpiece... I thought it was a publicity stunt and a crap exhibit.. Thats just my view..

Thats the thing about art of any kind, is that there is no such thing as good or bad art. The whole point of art, including music, is to express an artists ideas and feelings, and to hopefully evoke somekind of response in the listener/viewer/reader etc. If it capures an audience of just one person then it has succeeded in its aim.

What constitiutes a 'masterpiece' is entirely subjective for this reason. OR, arguably the terminology used by PA to define each star rating is misleading, but how else do you review a piece of art if not by what you, as the critic personally thinks.

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