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    Posted: January 30 2006 at 09:01

Ever read a review from a reviewer and thought to yourself , thats completely untrue ?  my idea is a simple one, Just like at Amazon.com why doesn`t Prog Archives add a "was this review helpful to you" Yes or No,  that way readers could get a more accurate idea if the review they are reading is Bogus or not ? 

It would also serve as an incentive device as people I believe would like to see first hand how well received their review has been.   

Pros : increase the quality of reviews

       : increase the quantiy of reviews (by adding a inbuilt reward system)

       : Improve the integrity of the reviews

Cons : Nothing I can think of 



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Points: 5113 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2006 at 09:09
That would be awesome!! A lot of the reviews are very misleading.. A good example is the Octavarium reviews where the reviewer actually listened to Elements Of Persuasion.

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Points: 606 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2006 at 14:11
yeah sounds good, I think it's not hard to set up.

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Originally posted by W.Chuck W.Chuck wrote:

yeah sounds good, I think it's not hard to set up.

The difficult part is preventing abuse. You need to make sure that a person can only vote once.
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hmm, amazon handles this problem with usernames

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Originally posted by W.Chuck W.Chuck wrote:

hmm, amazon handles this problem with usernames

Not correct. They use user accounts which are verified by an email roundtrip.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by W.Chuck W.Chuck wrote:

hmm, amazon handles this problem with usernames


Not correct. They use user accounts which are verified by an email roundtrip.



...nevertheless it is a username.
You once register, chosing a username and then you log in.





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Disagree strongly.

The amazon "helpful" system is a complete joke. People award helpful votes to reviews that they agree with and vote that the ones they don't agree with are unhelpful.  There are numerous well-researched, thorough, well-written, passionate amazon reviews that are riddled with unhelpful votes because they were attacked by proponents of the book/CD/movie who don't like dissenting opinions. 

Please don't let that happen here.  Unhelpful reviews take care of themselves -- they're usually poorly-worded and/or short, and are often one-shot deals by people who don't write many reviews.      
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I agree with Yargh.

However I feel strongly that all potential reviewers should have to register with the site before being allowed to post a review.Email verification should be mandatory.

I've trawled through umpteen pages of reviews and Ratings Without Reviews today and we are having the piss taken out of us big style by every mischievous muppet that lands here with a few minutes to kill.

If you check through Ratings Without Reviews on this site I would guess that 2/3 s award either a one star or five star rating,with nothing to substantiate this at all. 50% of the email addresses provided by these jokers are not valid addresses.

Then we have advertisers (!!) hijacking the system posting 1 star ratings and a short "message":

1 stars Rating by Lawn and Landscaping - to cut lawn - there is nothing easier! @ 11:45:26 AM EST, 1/27/2006

1 stars Rating by Tex Com Poker @ 9:28:44 AM EST, 1/28/2006

1 stars Rating by Shaved X @ 8:04:38 PM EST, 1/28/2006

1 stars Rating by The site about game in poker and all that with it is connected. @ 8:40:07 PM EST, 1/28/2006

1 stars Rating by European Porn Videos @ 8:15:50 AM EST, 1/29/2006

1 stars Rating by Popular games and the more of fun, and great victories, all this waits for you on ours online a site. @ 3:53:41 PM EST, 1/30/2006

1 stars Rating by Toys for your favourite children. @ 3:59:47 PM EST, 1/30/2006

This has got to stop and I have contacted M@x with a view to immediate action being taken
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

I agree with Yargh.


However I feel strongly that all potential reviewers should have to register with the site before being allowed to post a review.Email verification should be mandatory.


I've trawled through umpteen pages of reviews and Ratings Without Reviews today and we are having the piss taken out of us big style by every mischievous muppet that lands here with a few minutes to kill.


If you check through Ratings Without Reviews on this site I would guess that 2/3 s award either a one star or five star rating,with nothing to substantiate this at all. 50% of the email addresses provided by these jokers are not valid addresses.


Then we have advertisers (!!) hijacking the system posting 1 star ratings and a short "message":


<SPAN ="cls_DiscoText"> Rating by Lawn and Landscaping - to cut lawn - there is nothing easier! @ 11:45:26 AM EST, 1/27/2006 </SPAN><SPAN ="cls_DiscoText"> Rating by Tex Com Poker @ 9:28:44 AM EST, 1/28/2006 </SPAN><SPAN ="cls_DiscoText"> Rating by Shaved X @ 8:04:38 PM EST, 1/28/2006 </SPAN><SPAN ="cls_DiscoText"> Rating by The site about game in poker and all that with it is connected. @ 8:40:07 PM EST, 1/28/2006 </SPAN><SPAN ="cls_DiscoText"> Rating by European Porn Videos @ 8:15:50 AM EST, 1/29/2006 </SPAN><SPAN ="cls_DiscoText"> Rating by Popular games and the more of fun, and great victories, all this waits for you on ours online a site. @ 3:53:41 PM EST, 1/30/2006 </SPAN><SPAN ="cls_DiscoText"> Rating by Toys for your favourite children. @ 3:59:47 PM EST, 1/30/2006 </SPAN>


<SPAN ="cls_DiscoText">This has got to stop and I have contacted M@x with a view to immediate action being taken

</SPAN>


I fully agree with that!!

Just look at this guy here :

http://www.progarchives.com/?reviewer=michael&latest=3000

I hate those totally incromprehensible reviews, not even with a text to explain!

I hope Max is going to do something!





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Ok,rating without reviews has been suspended.
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Points: 127 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2006 at 17:28
Yay! I saw that...yet why are all averages the same?

'Tis a good start though.
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Ok,rating without reviews has been suspended.

Oh cool, lets see what happens

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Well...good so far, but the ratings are still the same




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Originally posted by W.Chuck W.Chuck wrote:

Well...good so far, but the ratings are still the same


I don't know if the old ratings without reviews are not counted.

But even if they are not counted, don't expect a dramatic change in albums with a lot of reviews like Close to the Edge, Selling England by the Pound or any top 10, because the number of reviews is so high that you would have to eliminate at least 30 of the total number to really change dramaticly the average (1 star up or down), mainly because among the RWR there's a high percentage of raters that voted for the average rating.

The difference will be easier to find in albums with few reviews, because in this case ratings without reviews can even represent 50%.

But it's a very good starting point, in a few weeks we will start to notice changes, first subtle then more and more clear.

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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Ok,rating without reviews has been suspended.

Allright! Now it's the time to delete all the existing ratings without reviews, exept those made by the collaborators. It would add a lot to the quality and credibility of this site.
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Originally posted by Baza Baza wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Ok,rating without reviews has been suspended.

Allright! Now it's the time to delete all the existing ratings without reviews, exept those made by the collaborators. It would add a lot to the quality and credibility of this site.

 

Why whould you exempt rating without review made by collaborators from deletion??? Is it collaborators privilege to make unsupported claims and judgements; or is it just your sheer confidence in collaborators opinions and complete trust in whatever they might state??? 
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Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Originally posted by Baza Baza wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Ok,rating without reviews has been suspended.

Allright! Now it's the time to delete all the existing ratings without reviews, exept those made by the collaborators. It would add a lot to the quality and credibility of this site.

 

Why whould you exempt rating without review made by collaborators from deletion??? Is it collaborators privilege to make unsupported claims and judgements; or is it just your sheer confidence in collaborators opinions and complete trust in whatever they might state??? 

The second thing
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Originally posted by Baza Baza wrote:

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Originally posted by Baza Baza wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Ok,rating without reviews has been suspended.

Allright! Now it's the time to delete all the existing ratings without reviews, exept those made by the collaborators. It would add a lot to the quality and credibility of this site.

 

Why whould you exempt rating without review made by collaborators from deletion??? Is it collaborators privilege to make unsupported claims and judgements; or is it just your sheer confidence in collaborators opinions and complete trust in whatever they might state??? 

The second thing

OK then, good for you. But I'd rather all ratings without review to be deleted, as I know for sure that certain collaborators opinions are completely opposite to my personal tastes and likings, and their rating can be only grossly misleading.

So the rule "no rating without review" should apply to everybody with no exemption.

 
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I am happy the decision to erase and not allow anymore ratings without reviews was made...
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