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Poll Question: What should be the focus of the progarchives ratings?
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    Posted: January 22 2006 at 11:15
What do you think? I think that how progressive an album is should not be determined by the ratings.
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The ratings shoudl be based only on your view of the content of the album, except that five star ratings should be reserved for masterpieces of prog only.

By doing so, we will help to guide people towards the cream of the genre.
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A mixture of both.
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Me too. I think the person can explain that don´t think the album is progressive and why, but rate according how much like the album.

For example, I made a review of Angra - Angel´s Cry and gave 3 stars according to my taste. I like the album, I´ve bought it for a very low price. I simply think that Angra is a band that tried sound like Iron Maiden and Helloween, and for me it isn´t progressive. I said this in the review: they try to be like Iron and Helloween, but the album is good and I encourage people who like Iron Maiden or Helloween to buy the album.
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Points: 2530 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 11:26
How much you like the album - although perhaps we could reserve the MAXIMUM score if the album was also prog.
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Well, I think there should be several points included:

if you like it

if it is progressive

if it is interesting/boring

if it is varied

if it is innovative/original


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I pick the fourth...

For example, i very much like Rhapsody - Symphony Of The Enchanted Lands. However i don't see them prog enough, so i gave 3 stars to that album. Otherwise, i probably would give a 4 stars...
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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

The ratings shoudl be based only on your view of the content of the album, except that five star ratings should be reserved for masterpieces of prog only.

By doing so, we will help to guide people towards the cream of the genre.

Certain albums like Radiohead - Ok Computer will always be controversial re their prog status. I see what you mean and I like that idea. But that could also be enforced by the system - for example by treating 5 star ratings like 4 star ratings for Prog Related artists/albums.



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Originally posted by W.Chuck W.Chuck wrote:

Well, I think there should be several points included:

if you like it

if it is progressive

if it is interesting/boring

if it is varied

if it is innovative/original

I don't think that all of that should be compiled into one single number. We should rather have different ratings for all these aspects. But I think that the most important one is "if you like it".
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hmm, but I think for this 1 review of your rating,
all those facts should be regarded!

Furthermore there should an enlarged field of
possibilities in your ratings, not only 5!






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Once a band is in here, it is progressive. Even if it is not in your opinion, you should review the album for its quality alone.

I hate seeing "This is a great album but not very progressive so I'm only giving it 3 stars".
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Originally posted by Tony Fisher Tony Fisher wrote:

Once a band is in here, it is progressive. Even if it is not in your opinion, you should review the album for its quality alone.

I hate seeing "This is a great album but not very progressive so I'm only giving it 3 stars".

Exactly. Such a rating tells you nothing ... you only end up trying to determine which rating that person would have given the album under "normal circumstances".
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I believe there has been to much more or less "non prog" bands represented on the site the last weeks. The criteria for calling a band progressive should be stronger and discussed more among them who select which one's to be represented here.

Then it would be easyer for people to rate and compare bands in the various genres. But it's obviously that at lot of people don't know what prog is when they rate for instance Yes, Close to the Edge with 1 star!
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Ratings are:

Essential: a masterpiece of progressive music
Excellent addition to any prog music collection
Good, but non-essential
Collectors/fans only
Poor. Only for completionists

 

Then, as long as I understand English, 5 stars shall be only for a prog work. An album like "CTTE" may receive the maximum here but in an hypothetical "PopArchives" receive only 2 stars, perhaps 3. The opposite shall happen with a Peter Gabriel or ELO album, for instance.

Presently I try to follow the guidelines abovementioned - together with the 10 commandments there on the Review Page but I confess that I hear the voice of my heart too and I end making a share not necessarily 50/50.

 

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The rating should only show how much you like the album

Not on what others think!

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Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Then, as long as I understand English, 5 stars shall be only for a prog work. An album like "CTTE" may receive the maximum here but in an hypothetical "PopArchives" receive only 2 stars, perhaps 3. The opposite shall happen with a Peter Gabriel or ELO album, for instance.  

Isn't that a subjective decision which is different for each one of us? If someone chooses to give 5 stars to a Peter Gabriel album, there is no way to determine whether this conforms to these guidelines or not. So why try to get people to make that distinction in the first place?  
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Alternative 4

"Primarily how much you like it, but also the progressiveness"
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Then, as long as I understand English, 5 stars shall be only for a prog work. An album like "CTTE" may receive the maximum here but in an hypothetical "PopArchives" receive only 2 stars, perhaps 3. The opposite shall happen with a Peter Gabriel or ELO album, for instance.  

Isn't that a subjective decision which is different for each one of us? If someone chooses to give 5 stars to a Peter Gabriel album, there is no way to determine whether this conforms to these guidelines or not. So why try to get people to make that distinction in the first place?  

I used Gabriel's as an example to display my understanding but the criteria of reviewing may vary from person to person as we may see on the polls results.  



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Originally posted by Tony Fisher Tony Fisher wrote:

Once a band is in here, it is progressive. Even if it is not in your opinion, you should review the album for its quality alone.

I hate seeing "This is a great album but not very progressive so I'm only giving it 3 stars".


I'm on the other hand, am not too fond of seeing "This is not a progressive album, but I love it so much I'm giving it 5 stars"
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Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Ratings are:



<TABLE width="100%"><T>
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<TD ="cls_TableMainTextContent"> Essential: a masterpiece of progressive music <!-- Highly Recommended --></TD></TR>
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<TD colSpan=2 ="cls_TableMainTextContent"> Excellent addition to any prog music collection <!-- Very good --></TD></TR>
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<TD ="cls_TableMainTextContent"> Good, but non-essential<!-- Good --></TD></TR>
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<TD ="cls_TableMainTextContent"> Collectors/fans only<!-- Average --></TD></TR>
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<TD ="cls_TableMainTextContent"> Poor. Only for completionists<!-- Bad --></TD></TR></T></T></TABLE&g t;


 


Then, as long as I understand English, 5 stars shall be only for a prog work. An album like "CTTE" may receive the maximum here but in an hypothetical "PopArchives" receive only 2 stars, perhaps 3. The opposite shall happen with a Peter Gabriel or ELO album, for instance.


Presently I try to follow the guidelines abovementioned - together with the 10 commandments there on the Review Page but I confess that I hear the voice of my heart too and I end making a share not necessarily 50/50.


 


P.S.: my 500th post.






Congrats on the 500
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Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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