How to indoctrinate your kids!

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   I come from a very musical family. My uncle was an Oxford  Music grad who went on to be a conductor, composer and concert cellist, my father is a chorist, and plays trombone, piano, violin and ukulele(!). I play bass and  guitar, the former being a carreer rather than hobby. My brother couldn't write a note for the milkman and is so profoundly tone-deaf as to set dogs howling for miles around with the slightest hummed ditty! The music he would buy would drive us all mad.
This in mind, I decided on the birth of my daughter not to leave things to chance.
Friends looked at me askance on her 4th birthday. Amongst the usuall collection of Barbie Dolls, colouring books, and My Little Pony plastic crap, sat her first 2 cds. "Revolver", (the Beatles) and Led Zep's "Four Signs"
I was accused of buying gifts for myself but I knew better. When at 5 years old, her favourite songs were "Dreamland" from Joni Mitchell's "Don Juans Reckless Daughter", and "Moonshine in the Mountains", from Bob Calvert's "Lucky Lief and Long Ships", I knew I was on the right track.
Walking home from school one day she exclaimed, "Dad, other kids don't know anything about our music, only what's on top of the pops! They're stupid, aren't they?" Exactly the smug sense of musical superiority I was after!
Last year she returned from a local jumble sale with a vinyl copy of "Close to the Edge" under her arm. Oh, the pride! My work was done!
Not many parents of teens bang on their bedroom doors shouting "Turn that UP!". So far, this morning she's played Gong's "You", some Tool, Graham Central Station, Rush (YYZ), and is currently listening to the Jam's "Sound Affects". Pretty damn eclectic for a 16 yr old in this day and age.
So parents everywhere, do as I did. Get to work on your kid's musical taste buds good and early and spare yourselves the agony of having to listen to future Pop Idol contenders day and night.

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emdiar Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: June 05 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 890	Topic: How to indoctrinate your kids! Posted: September 26 2004 at 09:00
	I come from a very musical family. My uncle was an Oxford Music grad who went on to be a conductor, composer and concert cellist, my father is a chorist, and plays trombone, piano, violin and ukulele(!). I play bass and guitar, the former being a carreer rather than hobby. My brother couldn't write a note for the milkman and is so profoundly tone-deaf as to set dogs howling for miles around with the slightest hummed ditty! The music he would buy would drive us all mad. This in mind, I decided on the birth of my daughter not to leave things to chance. Friends looked at me askance on her 4th birthday. Amongst the usuall collection of Barbie Dolls, colouring books, and My Little Pony plastic crap, sat her first 2 cds. "Revolver", (the Beatles) and Led Zep's "Four Signs" I was accused of buying gifts for myself but I knew better. When at 5 years old, her favourite songs were "Dreamland" from Joni Mitchell's "Don Juans Reckless Daughter", and "Moonshine in the Mountains", from Bob Calvert's "Lucky Lief and Long Ships", I knew I was on the right track. Walking home from school one day she exclaimed, "Dad, other kids don't know anything about our music, only what's on top of the pops! They're stupid, aren't they?" Exactly the smug sense of musical superiority I was after! Last year she returned from a local jumble sale with a vinyl copy of "Close to the Edge" under her arm. Oh, the pride! My work was done! Not many parents of teens bang on their bedroom doors shouting "Turn that UP!". So far, this morning she's played Gong's "You", some Tool, Graham Central Station, Rush (YYZ), and is currently listening to the Jam's "Sound Affects". Pretty damn eclectic for a 16 yr old in this day and age. So parents everywhere, do as I did. Get to work on your kid's musical taste buds good and early and spare yourselves the agony of having to listen to future Pop Idol contenders day and night. Edited by emdiar
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threefates Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: June 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4215	Posted: September 26 2004 at 12:34
	Sorry Emdiar, but that doesn't work all the time. I'm sort of a music addict. I prefer the music playing than the tv going. I play piano and drums, my mother played piano and my father was a bluegrass banjo player. He could play one heck of a mouth harp also. My son was raised on loads of good music.. ELP, Pink Floyd, Led Zep, Yes (maybe I shouldn't of played so much Blue Oyster Cult when he was in the crib) but you know what I mean. I gave him 4 years of guitar lessons...now I'm lucky if he can play Twinkle, Twinkle...and he can sing for you every song ELP had... and he knows Pink Floyd and Yes about the same... but when he was about 14, he decided he preferred Madonna and Janet Jackson. Then at 16, it was techno...Now he still seems to prefer top 40 crap... Maybe its the gay thing... just not in his genes to like good music... (JK, gdub) What can a mother do???
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Velvetclown Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 8548	Posted: September 26 2004 at 12:39
	Emidar : Great!!!!!!!!!!! another youngster that MTV won´t rape, there is still hope for the future !!!!!

penguindf12 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: September 20 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 831	Posted: September 26 2004 at 12:48
	I'm 15, my Dad owns a lot of Led Zeppelin and Beatles stuff, and plays guitar. He wasn't TRYING to control my musical tastes, but inadvertantly he did. He never really specifically bought progressive rock albums, I found prog on my own entirely...except for Dark Side of the Moon and Rush 2112. He had those long before I knew what they were and they sparked enough interest for me to find other prog stuff. And this was only half a year ago, so I'm fairly new at this really... I guess my musical tastes are just the logical extension of his. He doesn't care for stuff like Spock's Beard or Genesis much, but he does enjoy more accessible stuff...

Velvetclown Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 8548	Posted: September 26 2004 at 12:55
	Well penguindf12 It warms an old ( Very old ) Progers heart to see that there´s still intelligent 15 year olds on this planet Edited by Velvetclown

penguindf12 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: September 20 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 831	Posted: September 26 2004 at 13:05
	Thanks, I was beginning to wonder myself... (geez, I sound like an old man! heh heh heh...) It's my dad's fault.

Velvetclown Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 8548	Posted: September 26 2004 at 13:12
	Yes blame it on ol dad he is senile like the rest of us.... Never mind, listen to quality music and do us proud !!!!!! And just remember..if you´re lucky you´ll become an old man too

goose Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: June 20 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4097	Posted: September 26 2004 at 13:21
	I got myself into prog aged...14, summer of 2002 when I was awed by the idea of a band doing a 20 minute long song, downloaded bits of 2112 and bought the album! There's always Tull, Floyd, even one King Crimson and Soft Machine, Mahavishnu Orchestra LPs around that my dad has, but I've only started listening to his collection recently

Velvetclown Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 8548	Posted: September 26 2004 at 13:24
	Gee there sure is hope for the future !!!!!!!! Carry on my ......son listen, to quality music !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Petra Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: August 23 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 663	Posted: September 26 2004 at 13:46
	Being bought up in a house with a musically obsessed Mum has definitely influenced my 15yrs old son. Although he hasn’t been subjected to that much Prog music (until recently). Living in a house with guitars lying about helped too and he is an exceptionally talented guitar player (Proud Mum) . I forgive him for all the Metallica tunes he plays on guitar when he indulges me with Santana or a Hendrix tune occasionally. But my daughter would rather watch tv than listen or play music, so I guess you can’t win them all..
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Velvetclown Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 8548	Posted: September 26 2004 at 13:52
	You can´t win em all Petra

Guests Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Guest Group	Posted: September 26 2004 at 14:12
	haha, I'm 19 and got into Floyd when I was a junior in HS (15 years old). At that time I had no idea that floyd was prog or even that a genre like that existed. I had all their albums but considered them hippie rock or classic rock. I guess King Crimson made me realize that the prog genre existed. Last winter during X-mas break from college, I got the debut. I don't even know why I got them, I guess I just considered them classic rock at the time and being the classic rock completist that I am, got the debut. I did the same with Yes, Tull, ELP and Moody Blues cause I knew of them, knew they were 70s and had to have them. But I was still 100% oblivious that I was beginning a very long trip into the world of prog. But I heard these groups, loved them and went back to college hungry for more music that was similar. I looked up KC on the internet and saw a big fat PROG next to them and was like, "what the hell is PROG?" I needed to know! Now, back at college for my second year, I have d/l and bought 1000s of prog songs. Hawkwind was probably what really got me interested and made me realize that no two prog bands are alike. Two summers ago I heard about Focus and put them on my "classic rock artists to checkout" list after hearing about Hocus Pocus. After hearing Hawkwind, I searched the web for focus and got a few songs and loved them. They were amazing, but hard to find stuff on them. This intrigued me and made me realize that you didn't need a ZEEPELIN or DEAD in your name to be good. Obscure was good too. So I searched for Focus more and found this site, but did not know there was more to this site outside of Focus until I searched for a history of Hawkwind and found you guys again. I gradually explored the website and started to see how big it was. Now I'm hooked! Sorry if that was way to long, I got ahead of myself.

Easy Livin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585	Posted: September 26 2004 at 14:22
	It works both ways of course, my sons are indoctrinating me into bands I would otherwise never have tried, such as The Music, John Frusciante, Cooper Temple Clause, BRMC, Muse etc.

Petra Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: August 23 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 663	Posted: September 26 2004 at 14:27
	Easy Living you just named two of my favourite non prog bands TCTC and The Music who I saw last night play in Southampton
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penguindf12 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: September 20 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 831	Posted: September 26 2004 at 17:33
	It looks like most new progressive rock fans find the genre around age 15 and are brought up listening to "classic rock" and first develop a liking for classic rock. Then you hear something like Dark Side of the Moon or 2112 and really like it. The main problem today is that nobody knows that their favorite music is prog rock, because there is never any mention of it anywhere but the internet. I think there are a lot of younger people like me out there who just haven't discovered that the genre exists yet. A lot of my friends like The Beatles or so-called "classic rock" in general. I think if progressive rock were given just one chance to make itself known, a massive progressive comeback would ensue. I know because I'm at the front, among the ones who would bring about this comeback. Conditions are right, with oppressive government and all. Just one chance to get the word out, that's all we need... BTW, I just gave a burned copy of Dark Side of the Moon to one of my friends who likes the Beatles a lot, and I told him prog pretty much evolved out of the Beatles' "Sgt. Pepper's". He'll be hearing the Floyd for the first time this weekend...I'm crossing my fingers...maybe we'll have a convert yet!

Pixel Pirate Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: September 11 2004 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 793	Posted: September 26 2004 at 17:47
	I know someone who used to play one of my all time favourite albums "Rubycon" by Tangerine Dream on repeat for hours to their new born baby,but that's not so much indoctrination but child abuse possibly?
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Reed Lover Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: July 16 2004 Location: Sao Tome and Pr Status: Offline Points: 5187	Posted: September 26 2004 at 18:50
	Wasn't it that great Minister Of Mirth, Fish, who declared: "This is no place for children!" (Fugazi) Let the little rascals have their Britny, Justin and Eminems! Leave the Prog to us adults! Children should be allowed to embarrass themselves jiving to Fifty Cents,get jiggy with some honiesand then move on to the cerebral stuff when they no longer have to try too hard to appeal to the opposite sex. Let's be honest you aint gonna pull chicks with "Suppers Ready" blasting out of your car stereo! Leastways not the sort that dont wear 4 jumpers and big knickers on the first date!


gdub411 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: August 24 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3484	Posted: September 26 2004 at 21:12
	I have tried to indroduce my daughter to quality music but my attempts have resulted in utter failure. I was driving her and some of her friends to homecoming this weekend and what did they have blasting on the car stereo.....U.G.L.Y...you aint got no alibi you Ugly Woo,Woo, You Ugly..by..well um..who cares...It was a very painful listen to me.. This very high annoying cheerleader type shriek combined with some drum machine effect that just looped over repetively throughout the entire song...to make matters worse they had the music blaring at a very high volume and on repeat...........Ugh

threefates Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: June 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4215	Posted: September 26 2004 at 21:34
	My son actually loves the nasty ones... like Peaches, Missy Elliot, Lil Kim, Foxy Brown.. and who ever those girls are that sing "Do I look like a slut?? "" Some of them are even too nasty for me to take... so I actually ask him to turn the crap down... a statement which I never thought I'd hear myself say..... Edited by threefates
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penguindf12 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: September 20 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 831	Posted: September 26 2004 at 21:59
	I tell my friends to turn down their crap... And they tell me to turn down my "crap"... We're equal.