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penguindf12 
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 Topic: Progressive Comeback?
Posted: September 22 2004 at 22:11 |
Has anybody heard about the new Green Day album? It's called "American Idiot" and guess what -- it's a concept album! A rock opretta! People have been comparing it to The Who's "Tommy." Could this be progressive rock coming back in some new form? Progressive punk, maybe? Bit of an oxymoron, but hey... If anybody's heard it, reply!
My dad says he sees a lot of parellels between now and then. The Vietnam War in the late 60s began the counterculture movement, and progressive rock began in the late 60s with "In the Court of the Crimson King!" If the Iraq War escalates and Bush is reelected (especially if the draft is restarted), then we could have a second prog movement!
I hope it's a comeback! If it is, and I start a prog band, I could ride the wave...
Pendulum of history, swing back to our side!
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asuma
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 22:19 |
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uhm... i don't know much about the album, but if you
mean it's a concept in the sense that all the songs
are anti-war or anti-capitalist or something...tons and
tons of punk bands have done that. not that i hope
you're not right.
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*Remember all advice given by Asuma is for entertainment purposes only. Asuma is not a licensed medical doctor, psychologist, or counselor and he does not play one on TV.*
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threefates
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 22:19 |
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Thats a wonderful dream... all but the Bush re-election and the escalated war. I think that I would prefer to skip.. and if the return of prog was due to those factors... i think I could live without a modern prog movement....
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penguindf12
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 22:24 |
Yeah, I'm just saying possibilities. Look up the album. One of the songs is split into parts! I'd have to hear it to judge for myself if its prog, but from the look of the song structure...
Also there are characters in the album as well. They're talking about turning it into a movie. As for the Bush reelection, I would hate it. I'll be draftable in 3 years, and that'll still be when he's in office *shudder*. But if everyone gets fed up with Bush, change WILL happen. And change is always a plus for prog rock!
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Bryan
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 22:26 |
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I think I'm happy with modern prog being an underground movement.
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asuma
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 22:32 |
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here is a review i read from interpunk
"Hands down one of the best cd's ever created. Billie
Joe is a musical genius, and this just proves the
point that they can go away for 4 years and come
back and blow everything else out of the water. If you
didnt know, this punk opera follows the story of
Jesus of Suburbia through the hardships he faces
trying to find himself. The song aptly named after the
main character is definately a stand out track,
stretching over about 9 minutes and consisting of
five parts. This is definately different than anything
else Green Day has done, but its simply amazing. My
favorite Green Day cd is still "Nimrod", but this one
comes very close. Pure Genius!!! "
while i'm not sure if greenday are the first "punk" (i
use " just to avoide any arguments over what punk is
or isn't) band to do this, it is the first time i have
heard of it. and i think it's a cool idea. though i know
the decline by nofx would be considered a prog track.
at least i would.
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Peter
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 22:45 |
 penguindf12 wrote:
If the Iraq War escalates and Bush is reelected (especially if the draft is restarted), then we could have a second prog movement!
I hope it's a comeback! If it is, and I start a prog band, I could ride the wave...
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 So, let me get this straight: Big war = Penguin gets rich
Is your real name "Military-Industrial Complex," perchance? 
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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asuma
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 22:50 |
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maybe he works for a defence company
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*Remember all advice given by Asuma is for entertainment purposes only. Asuma is not a licensed medical doctor, psychologist, or counselor and he does not play one on TV.*
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penguindf12
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 22:58 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
penguindf12 wrote:
If the Iraq War escalates and Bush is reelected (especially if the draft is restarted), then we could have a second prog movement!
I hope it's a comeback! If it is, and I start a prog band, I could ride the wave...
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So, let me get this straight: Big war = Penguin gets rich
Is your real name "Military-Industrial Complex," perchance?
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Ha ha ha... I was just joking about that. Odds are even that I'd sooner be shipped off to Iraq than start a successful prog band. Trust me, I wouldn't wish a Bush reelection on anybody. And about being rich? Nah. I just like playing music. It's just that in the current state of things, starting a prog band in Oklahoma is like trying to burn a flag in Bush's face.
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gdub411
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 23:02 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
penguindf12 wrote:
If the Iraq War escalates and Bush is reelected (especially if the draft is restarted), then we could have a second prog movement!
I hope it's a comeback! If it is, and I start a prog band, I could ride the wave...
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So, let me get this straight: Big war = Penguin gets rich
Is your real name "Military-Industrial Complex," perchance?
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You go Penguin!!!!
don't worry Peter....Prog rockers don't get rich...unless you're PinkFloyd
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 23:03 |
 Okie-dokey l'il buddy -- thanks for clearing that up!
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Marcelo
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 00:47 |
penguindf12 wrote:
It's just that in the current state of things, starting a prog band in Oklahoma is like trying to burn a flag in Bush's face.
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Then you'll have the first successful prog band in Oklahoma: Bush would burn the flag if this could give him some coins.
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will
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 03:15 |
A Prog comeback would be cool but as Useful_Idiot said I dont really mind that prog is underground. I think a new prog movement could become too commercialised, and as for Punk-Prog I shudder at the thought. Green Day are neither punk nor prog they are Pop-Punk if you compare them to SexPistols and bands along those lines.
One good thing that would come from a Prog comeback would be a icould laugh in the face of all the people who laughed at Prog 
Interesting thought guys, but farfetched.
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Long live progression.
Will
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sigod
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 03:55 |
I have to agree with Useful_Idiot on this one. I believe that prog serves everyone best as an underground scene. No commercial pressure on the bands we love from record companies to make a 'single', no banal punditry in colour supplements for the temporary amusement of the Sunday press and no MTV VJ shouting 'Hey kids, it's time for the new video from the kids favourite progtastic boy band - FANTASY WIZZARD, WOOOhhooooohooo!!!'
On the other hand, there would be a huge influx of new talent and that is what sustains any genre. Might be worth putting up with all the crap if it gave us another 'Lamb Lies Down...' or (insert contemporary band of choice here). 
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Reed Lover
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 07:18 |
sigod wrote:
I have to agree with Useful_Idiot on this one. I believe that prog serves everyone best as an underground scene. No commercial pressure on the bands we love from record companies to make a 'single', no banal punditry in colour supplements for the temporary amusement of the Sunday press and no MTV VJ shouting 'Hey kids, it's time for the new video from the kids favourite progtastic boy band - FANTASY WIZZARD, WOOOhhooooohooo!!!'
On the other hand, there would be a huge influx of new talent and that is what sustains any genre. Might be worth putting up with all the crap if it gave us another 'Lamb Lies Down...' or (insert contemporary band of choice here).
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What is wrong with prog groups releasing singles?
One of the happiest moments in music for me was when "Another Brick In The Wall" was Number One on the last day of the 1970's. It kinda was a Two Fingered Salute to the Music Media who tried to bury Prog Rock whilst it was still alive and kicking.
Best Prog Chart singles (UK):
1.Spirit Of Radio
2.Heart Of lothian
3.Another Brick In The Wall
4.Closer To the Heart
5.Dont Kill The Whale
We might pretend to hate Pop music radio stations but whar a buzz we get when unexpectedly our heroes crackle out of the speakers and then a downer as the Jock fades out during the guitar/keyboard solo!
Edited by Reed Lover
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sigod
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 07:33 |
Reed mate, You're only mentioning the sucessfull singles. Try telling that to IQ after they were dropped from Polygram...
...or Twelth Night...
........or Pallas......
.........................or even Hogarth era Marrillion.....
There is a great buzz I agree to hear prog on the radio, but how often to we see singles from bands we know and love in the bargin bin?
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I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 07:45 |
Does anybody know how many copies of "Dark Matter" have sold worldwide? I am going to see them in Bury, Nth Manchester (England, UK) on the 2nd of Oct, they had sold 100 tickets (from a capacity of 300). Thus I'm presuming sales of DM to be 100-150 in the North of England - Thus maybe 500-1000 in the UK and 5000 Europe ? Is this realistic?
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 12:48 |
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It would seem to me that no "prog" comeback could happen without the big lables, who also contol the airwaves and limit our choices, jumping on board. Back in the original movement there was all sorts of experimentation coming out the late 60's and early 70's some good, a lot bad. The record companies spent a lot of money on groups back then and most did not give a good return. The thing that came out of all of it was structure and lables. It was all rock at one time Not Art rock, Glam Rock, Blues Rock ect. Then structure in the record compaines of what kind of 'rock' they felt would sell. Then structure on the air waves about what kinds of songs would play. I just don't ever seee that level of freedom of music happening again in the mainstream of music.
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 14:30 |
If Green day has prog influences, then Britney Spears wears Marillion T-shirts!
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James Lee
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 18:40 |
Garion81 wrote:
It would seem to me that no "prog" comeback could happen without the big lables, who also contol the airwaves and limit our choices, jumping on board. Back in the original movement there was all sorts of experimentation coming out the late 60's and early 70's some good, a lot bad. The record companies spent a lot of money on groups back then and most did not give a good return. The thing that came out of all of it was structure and lables. It was all rock at one time Not Art rock, Glam Rock, Blues Rock ect. Then structure in the record compaines of what kind of 'rock' they felt would sell. Then structure on the air waves about what kinds of songs would play. I just don't ever seee that level of freedom of music happening again in the mainstream of music. |
That's an interesting thought- how do we define 'comeback'? How many fans and sites and new bands have come around in the last few years? I think prog is as alive and kicking as it has ever been. And let's hope it stays well away from the mainstream this time...you know, the mainstream that calls Billie Joe from Green Day a genius.
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