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aapatsos
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Topic: WHY ENGLISH PEOPLE DON’T LISTEN TO PROG? Posted: December 12 2005 at 19:00 |
...and I mean that this is the country that invented prog, am I right?
What is the reason that they don't hear to prog or at least classic rock?
This country has "produced" The Beatles, Jethro Tull and thousands more...........
Nothing personal with the English, I have been studying here for 2 months now and I was wondering....
Is it the music industry? Nobody seems to bother with good bands... except from fellows that saw IQ last weekend.
Still I haven't found a good review, give us some details.............
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oracus
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 19:16 |
I have the same question myself :-)
Ei patrioti ti xamparia :-) den perimena na vrw ellina safto to forum :-)
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Rainman
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 19:34 |
I am afraid we will have to generalize the question... I am far from England but I think the situation is global. People do not listen to prog. Nowadays, this is music of a minority. It's pop that rules the world!
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sleeper
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 19:38 |
I'm English and I like prog
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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aapatsos
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 19:42 |
sleeper wrote:
I'm English and I like prog |
I know sleeper. Obviously I was not talking about you
or several people that I have met here from England.
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Shaman
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 19:43 |
This situation is not only in England.
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BleedingGum
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 19:43 |
sleeper wrote:
I'm English and I like prog |
Good for you.
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...this is called....BleedingGum ... !
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Darth Nisis
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 19:51 |
Shaman wrote:
This situation is not only in England.
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In the whole world actually
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This is the Supper of the Mighty One.
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Destrio
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 19:55 |
But the thing is, North America never had a good/big prog scene, 90% of the big prog bands were from England (or atleast Europe)
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aapatsos
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 20:03 |
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 20:35 |
Prog ... well see the thing is about prog it takes some time to digest and it isn`t instant, most people cant be botherd thinking when they listen to a "tune" this is where commerce steps in and gets the bucks. As we know the work getting into a fine prog CD pays off but you cant use the stuff in the back ground of a mcdonalds add it just wont sell any hamburgers. Its not only England who don`t seem to get into prog its mankind in general !
The man who hath no music in himself
Nor is moved by the concord of sweet sounds
Is fit for treasons, strategems, and spoils
The motions of his spirit are as dull as the night
And his affections dark as Erebus
Let not this man be trusted
William Shakespeare (taken from Magellan ... Impending Ascension CD)
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Vulkan
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 20:46 |
what is the problem with being a minority... I actually like it, don't you?
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Why are we never too sure till we die or have killed for an answer...
...Though names may change each face retains the mask it wore
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The Ryan
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 20:49 |
aapatsos wrote:
...and I mean that this is the country that invented prog, am I right?
What is the reason that they don't hear to prog or at least classic rock?
This country has "produced" The Beatles, Jethro Tull and thousands more...........
Nothing personal with the English, I have been studying here for 2 months now and I was wondering....
Is it the music industry? Nobody seems to bother with good bands... except from fellows that saw IQ last weekend.
Still I haven't found a good review, give us some details.............
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Prog just so happened to take off most rapidly in Great Britain. Progressive music is not the invention of one single country, but western civilization and North America. Perhaps the English have moved on??
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 21:12 |
being a minority is cool , I learnt that ages ago
And so with Gods and men , The sheep remain inside their pen , Though many times they`ve seen the way to leave ! (Genesis ... Firth of Fifth)
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SolariS
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 23:40 |
s1ipp3ry wrote:
being a minority is cool , I learnt that ages ago
And so with Gods and men , The sheep remain inside their pen , Though many times they`ve seen the way to leave ! (Genesis ... Firth of Fifth)
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HAHA bravo
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transend
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Posted: December 13 2005 at 00:31 |
Am from London, live in Las Vegas............
humm, I like prog!!! I LOVE prog!!!
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Blacksword
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Posted: December 13 2005 at 03:04 |
Just as the big English prog bands were huge in the US, in the 70's, BECAUSE of their Englishness, Britain aspires after all things American these days. We want to be more like America, so we have taken to using American expressions; '24/7' 'Time out!' 'That is like sooooo cooool' etc etc etc.... Everyone (dont really mean to generalise) under 25 likes to think they're in 'Friends'
It's a shame really, but here in Britain we love trash culture, and identify it with the US and wealth and a relaxed culture instead of the stereotypical constipated English way. I think it's an unfair and cynical way to view the US, personally, but we are not great thinkers these days, so try telling us that...
Also thanks to the music press who, due to being unqualified to write about anything more complex than Iggy Pop, decided to kill off prog so they wouldn't have to write about it.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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richardh
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Posted: December 13 2005 at 03:10 |
aapatsos wrote:
...and I mean that this is the country that invented prog, am I right?
What is the reason that they don't hear to prog or at least classic rock?
This country has "produced" The Beatles, Jethro Tull and thousands more...........
Nothing personal with the English, I have been studying here for 2 months now and I was wondering....
Is it the music industry? Nobody seems to bother with good bands... except from fellows that saw IQ last weekend.
Still I haven't found a good review, give us some details.............
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Yep theres only 3 prog fans in the entire country and we met up last Saturday
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iguana
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Posted: December 13 2005 at 03:40 |
i guess that people so far have attempted writing
doctorates on this subject...
my opinion would be that the english are more likely
to back an underdog and nothing pleases them
more to see the mighty humbled. that, im my
opinion, makes them such lovable creatures
but in music it seems to have taken the wrong turn.
prog rock with all its ambitiousness and (yes!)
pretentiousness (why not??? name me an artist that
is not pretentious in a way and i'll show you a flying
pig) has all the traits of being a stuck-up form of art
for the sophisticated upper class. so, it's not really a
musical thing but rather a social issue. somehow
people failed to see that ambitous and imaginative
musicians that deliberately fo left or right of the
mainstream are the ones that should be supported.
hence, when punk and new wave came along,
everyone was ready to embrace it because it had the
right credentials.
plus, people have somehow forgotten that there was
music being created way past the rolling stones, the
who & the beatles – somehow the development in
music was not acknowledged as well as it should
have. none of the post-beatles bands that seriously
took things further have ever fared too well in GB.
i read the point that the english are more keen on
trash culture but this has only been a recent (10
years) development, and it's certainly global. their
grudge on proggy sounds is probably more of a
sociological issue. just my two cents.
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progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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aapatsos
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Posted: December 13 2005 at 07:42 |
richardh wrote:
aapatsos wrote:
...and I mean that this is the country that invented prog, am I right?
What is the reason that they don't hear to prog or at least classic rock?
This country has "produced" The Beatles, Jethro Tull and thousands more...........
Nothing personal with the English, I have been studying here for 2 months now and I was wondering....
Is it the music industry? Nobody seems to bother with good bands... except from fellows that saw IQ last weekend.
Still I haven't found a good review, give us some details.............
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Yep theres only 3 prog fans in the entire country and we met up last Saturday
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