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    Posted: December 12 2005 at 07:19
is it just me, or is it incredibly difficult to meet a teenager who is into prog? or even know what prog is? i know around 100 or so 14 year olds, and only 2 of them know and like prog. Myself and a friend.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 07:40

Well...unless you have parents (like my children do - I'm 52) who were deeply into prog at the time it was THE music of its time, it is understandable that teens are no longer even aware of the existence of progressive music.

What do you hear on the radio? what do you see on music TV channels? What CD's are on display in record shops? prog?

If you are a prog fan and in your teens, you'll have to do the job: teaching your generation that there is something different to listen to than RnB, rap, techno, house or alternative rock. (Though alternative rock is far to be the worst place to start to explore more complex things).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 07:45
thanks rock and rail. It really bugs me that so many people are missing out on the music of the mind! i can understand a fews differing tastes, but only 2 out of 100 is ridiculous! and 2 cannot convert 98 by thewmslves. People must learn aboiut prog! sorry to ramble
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 07:55
i know what you mean.
i'm 18 and i was 17 when i got into prog, but i still haven't met anyone of my age who likes prog. well, there are a lot of guys liking dream theater and pink floyd, but they don't know any other prog bands.
it has become my life goal to find someone of my age who likes prog, but the youngest prog lover i've found was 38...

how frustrating
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 07:58
what makes the situation worse is that bloody Max Graham who made the remix of owner of a lonely heart. Now an entire generation of children think that Max Graham made owner of a lonely heart!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 07:59
I guess teenagers won't know anything that isn't played on Radio 1.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 08:08
well perhaps it is time to put prog onto radio 1
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 08:18

Listening to prog is like reading classical authors: it is not obvious and demands some time and concentration. I would suggest all the young prog lovers to teach their friends.

And teaching is not something easy: you will have to build a teaching program. For example, do not introduce prog with "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" or the most strange Gentle Giant or Soft Machine songs. Select a choice of midsize (5 to 10 minutes), not too complex songs from the masters of the genre (from symphonic, art rock, psyche, prog metal...), make one or two CDs with them and convince your friends to listen to them more than once. Then ask them what they liked and what they didn't and why. From there, enrich your selection.

I cannot guarantee that you'll get all of your friends addicted to prog but you'll surely gain some.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 08:20
Keep that prog flag flying for the next generation!!!!!  It's their only hope!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 09:57

All hope is not lost IMHO,

I actually think that future progheads will come to prog via heavy metal and in the same line of conduct , progmetal. The majority of the forum members here are teenagers (see the stats)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 10:17
 THE ONLY WAYI CAN RESPOND TO THIS  QUESTION IS THAT OVER THE WEEKEND I WENT TO   A  POPULAR MUSIC CHAIN , AND ASK AN EMPLOYEE IF THEY HAVE A PROGRESSIVE ROCK SECTION, AND HIS ANSWER WAS  """  WHAT IS PROGRESSIVE ROCK'''. WELL I JUST WALKED OUT..  THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE HIRER FORIEGHS IN THE U.S.. i WAS SURPRISED HE SPOKE ENGLISH AT ALL.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 10:27
Originally posted by Kingkay Kingkay wrote:


it has become my life goal to find someone of my age who likes prog, but the youngest prog lover i've found was 38...


Do you by that mean that the youngest lover you have had who likes prog is 38 ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 10:33
Foreigners are what America is all about.  Are you from America?  By that I mean Native American, because if you aren't then you too are a foreigner.  I'm Italian, but am an American too.  Thank God America let foreigners in because I wouldn't be here otherwise.  Now if you mean living here illegaly, then that's a different story altogether, but I doubt you could tell that just from an accent.  One more point I'd like to make.  If it wasn't for foreigners, their wouldn't be Italian prog, English prog, German prog.etc.  Sorry to sound so strong.  Nothing personal.  Otherwise, I don't even waste my time going to record stores.  They have nothing I'm interested in.  Today's music scene does absolutely nothing for me.  I shop online.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 10:45
I don't know, but I also don't think it matters. Music is just that; Musis, a way to waste time whenever needed. Everything changes, everything passes by. Now, I don't even think that progressive music is some kind of vanguardist way of art, given that there are a variety of music forms that uses technology as support, wich I find to be very interesting. But that is also not relevant; is just the way I feel. Leave teenagers with their own choices, and enjoy your albums as we all do.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 10:52
I did happen to walk into a music shop the other day (by that, I mean one that sells instruments, not CDs) and they put VdGG on, but then I know Al who works in there likes them.  Turns out the other guy in there does too.  Proper music, for proper musicians.

But yes, hardly anyone I know knows of prog, or they ridicule me.  A few people like Coheed and Cambria and Rush and say they like prog, but that's not proper prog (if prog at all) and some like Nightwish and stuff like that.  I know a guy who likes Iced Earth, not really prog as such.

One of my best mates likes Aenima by Tool, but doesn't really like Lateralus.  He likes Steve Vai and stuff too, but was annoying me when he was moaning about Mahavishnu Orchestra.  He likes Nine Inch Nails, System of a Down, Rage Against The Machine, The Pixies and stuff like that.

My best mate liked "When Solitude Remains" by Anekdoten the other day, but if she heard anything else by them, she'd hate it.

But I did recently come a cross a 16 year old lass who likes VdGG, Henry Cow and other such stuff, so there is some hope!

Opeth seems the be the best bet for prog.  Lots of metallers like them and I'm not too sure why, I thought they'd find it far too melodic.  But then my metal friend who likes Motorhead and growly stuff seemed to hate Opeth too.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 11:03
I just turned 17 and got into prog when I was 15 (I heard Yes live from h few months enjoy that music as much as I do now) I personally don't know anyone who really likes prog (exept DT which is quite popular). Few of my listen to few individual songs, but the genre is not unfamiliar to them, even if they would't listen to it.

One day I saw two guys around age of 15 looking and buying Yes cd's, I sure was happy to see that. Also in the concert there was fair amount of young people which seemed to be huge fans of the band
Once I have seen a guy wearing Yes shirt (Relayer logo) and he was around 20' years old. That was outside a concert.

Sometimes it's hard to listen music that so rare do from this age group, but I guess that I can enjoy it somehow even more.

Remember whatever people tell You of your GREAT taste of music remember : Yours Is No Disgrace!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 11:11
 to paulieg          ;              Do you know that the U.S. has over 20 million Iraqis here.      maybe one of them will take your job  or better yet, murder someone in your family; lets se   how you feel about forieghs then.   By the way  im an italian american also...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 11:15
Roots of what?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 11:15

The problem is, like rockandrail already said, that young people aren't introduced to prog. There is no prog TV channel, magazine (I would love to see an international prog glossy!), or just TV programme.

Bands that operate on the border of prog and mainstream music are the key to the acceptance of prog. I, for example, got into prog thanks to Metallica (S&M concert) and Nightwish a few years (when i was 16 or so) ago. And i'm sure The Mars Volta recently introduced some people to prog.

The question is, should we want prog to become mainstream? Isn't that impossible by the definition of prog? I like the situation as it is. The prog labels are labels that go for quality not quantity, unlike the big commercial labels. Ik like prog being 'underground', as it ensures that only people who really like the music are into it. The only things i miss are a high quality full color international prog magazine, and perhaps a TV programme (weekly concert registrations anyone?).

Of course it it is important to keep enough people interested in prog!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2005 at 12:01
I agree, I like the "underground" element of progressive music too.  If prog was on Kerrang!, Scuzz or MTV week-in, week-out, I think I'd get very annoyed.  Plus prog will just become saturated like rock and pop are already.  Bands will just put in an orchestral part for the sake of it and the whole integrity of bands will be thrown out of the window.  But at the end of the day, if prog did become popular, it would soon die a death and become "underground" again for integrity's sake.  There are just not going to be enough quality musicians around who can get away with playing proper, fluid and well thought out prog.
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