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    Posted: August 09 2004 at 03:04

Here's a left-field sort of question- anybody else heard the song "New York City Serenade" by Bruce Springsteen? It begins with a sound (I'm pretty sure it's the strings of a piano being strummed) identical to the opening of "Take a Pebble". Does anyone know if this is a tribute, a parody, or completely coincidental? I know that Springsteen worked with Manfred Mann, but that's about all of the Bruce-prog connection I can think of.

 
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Points: 4215 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2004 at 11:55
Somehow I doubt there's any other connection but sheer coincidence....
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Points: 80 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2004 at 12:11

Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Somehow I doubt there's any other connection but sheer coincidence....

It should be noted, however, that Boss did use, especially in 80-s somewhat psychodelic keyboard stylistics more associated with progrock than mainstream R'n'R--enough to listen to The City Of Love. While Born To Run is altogether "manufactured" with instrumental "phraseology" (vibe?), which is closer than ever to progrock while still remains Boss' signature R'n'R.
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Points: 8548 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2004 at 12:14
The BOSS progressive ?????????????, not with that underbite 
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Points: 16130 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2004 at 15:47
The 'Boss' has nothing to do with prog. He is essentially a nice chap with some sound philosophies on life - IMO, but has an awful voice and writes mostly terrible songs. Again, IMO..
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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2004 at 15:51
The only connection between Springsteen and prog is David Sancious. I have 'Just as I thought' by him and it contains a suite ("suite for the end of an age") that is reminiscent of UK, this album being a mix of jazz-fusion and prog. Sancious also released an album called 'True stories' which was produced by Eddie Offord, and that actually can be regarded as prog.
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Points: 29285 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2004 at 18:09

Manfred Mann's Earthband's version of 'Blinded By the light' is prog so that would be another connection I guess.

 

 
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James Lee wrote:

Quote I know that Springsteen worked with Manfred Mann,

I'm almost 100% sure James that The Boss never worked with Manfred Mann.

Manfred Mann's Earth Band took two unsuccesfull Bruce Springsteen tracks from an almost unknown album called "Greetings from Asbury Park, NJ (1973)" (Blinded by the Light and Spirits in the Night), and changed both into excelent prog tracks that reached the first places of the charts when prog' was popular (BBTL reached N° 1 and SITN reached N° 40).

Blinded by the Light was included in The Roaring Silence (1976), and Spirits in the Night was only a B side of the single, but Bruce was never a member of any Manfred Mann band.

This was the first time a prog version of a pop song had more success than the original.

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Points: 3525 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2004 at 00:29

right- that's all I meant when I wrote "worked with".

Although I'd have to debate that BS was totally opposite the prog paradigm...the lengthier tracks on his earlier albums had many instrumental and compositional qualities that are comparable to prog. Almost as prog as Porcupine Tree, anyway

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If anyone is interested, I put an .rm file of the Springsteen song on my site for comparisons- and to prove that it's just as quasi-prog as Tommy or any of the other 'almost-prog' contenders. There's some beautiful piano playing, anyway. If you've never heard "Take a Pebble" (i guess it could happen), it's available under the ELP section of this site.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jamesnkt/id2.html

ugh, it's a really nasty format conversion- fair warning. I need more webspace.

 



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