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    Posted: February 11 2025 at 02:39

4 stars 1970: Blood, Sweat & Tears - Blood, Sweat & Tears 3 - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lEaT1Phk6jrKlKG7qETvJA6ndsJh8uOr0
3 stars 1970: Herbie Hancock - Jammin' with Herbie - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKLPE6Ph1xZpWv5cenzai12TMPvT9vJe4
4 stars 1970: Herbie Mann - Stone Flute - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwY75gziVIQ
4 stars 1970: Buddy Miles - We Got to Live Together - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jZ9GH4aZLk
2 stars 1970: Jean-Luc Ponty - King Kong: Jean-Luc Ponty Plays the Music of Frank Zappa - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lhWbtry_0VkRJ-XdCUDoYGvq1VBk_8nZU
5 stars 1970: Santana - Abraxas - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nvcNfuoyMcB8NSLZ4TI7pjse86D-8A7SU
3 stars 1970: Pharoah Sanders - Deaf Dumb Blind - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DIRBZ6uEKg
3 stars 1970: The Stark Reality - Discovers Hoagy Carmichael's Music Shop - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgFwWG_i8zk
3 stars 1970: Tony Williams Lifetime - Turn It Over - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDjz9BzJ4cM
2 stars 1970: Frank Zappa & the Mothers of Invention - Burnt Weeny Sandwich - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mj8TF4BRgSvcda9_dgt7v6-yPUhVppl48
2 stars 1970: Frank Zappa & the Mothers of Invention - Weasels Ripped My Flesh - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mJg70B_PUl0rXiTFrXGgcm2cWob8SpOR8


Edited by Psychedelic Paul - February 11 2025 at 05:23
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I have a clear top three:

Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
Alice Coltrane - Ptah, The El Daoud (not fusion, but I'm glad it's included)
Wayne Shorter - Moto Grosso Feio

I like Abraxas, Turn it Over, Earth Rot, Spaces, Burnt Weeny Sandwich as well.

Never even heard of the Herbie Hancock, even though I consider myself quite the fanboy.

(of course) you skipped my favorite Herbie Mann-album. His five star, actual-jazzfusion masterwork. The very beautiful: Stone Flute

-other favorites that is some kind of US Jazz Fusion:

Yusef Lateef - The Diverse Yusef Lateef
The Lloyd McNeill Quartet - Washington Suite
William S. Fischer - Circles
Joe Farrell Quartet - Joe Farrell Quartet
Joe Henderson - Power to the People
The Fourth Way - The Sun and Moon Have Come Together
Jeremy Steig - Energy
+ I prefer Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (but one has to be able to enjoy some Afro American yodeling)
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Chicago - Chicago II
Santana - Abraxas
Blood, Sweat & Tears - Blood, Sweat & Tears 3


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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I have a clear top three:



(of course) you skipped my favorite Herbie Mann-album. His five star, actual-jazzfusion masterwork. The very beautiful: Stone Flute

No problem. I just added Herbie Mann's Stone Flute album to the poll retroactively, in place of Barry Miles. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I have a clear top three:



(of course) you skipped my favorite Herbie Mann-album. His five star, actual-jazzfusion masterwork. The very beautiful: Stone Flute


No problem. I just added Herbie Mann's Stone Flute album to the poll retroactively, in place of Barry Miles. Thumbs Up
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^I still haven't voted, as I don't know which among my by now four favorites to give it to. Nothing comes close to Bitches Brew* in regards to historical importance (and I love it to death), but an album such as Stone Flute may still be more of a personal favorite.

*it's like the In the Court of the Crimson King, Black Sabbath or Autobahn of Jazz Rock Fusion - and then some.
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Alice Coltrane for today.  Weasels and Burnt Weeny were not conceived as albums as such - Zappa hastily assembled various out-takes and live recordings following the dissolution of the original Mothers.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:


Never even heard of the Herbie Hancock, even though I consider myself quite the fanboy.
Which isn't that strange, as it's really just this 1961 release: Pepper Adams / Donald Byrd Quintet "Out Of This World" - repackaged in 1970 as a Herbie Hancock album, because he had gotten quite famous in the meantime:)
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Bitches Brew

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1. Santana - Abraxas 
2. Chicago - Chicago II 
3. Buddy Miles - Them Changes
4. Mandrill - Mandrill


Edited by Psychedelic Paul - February 11 2025 at 09:07
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Might just as well be Chicago v Santana as far as I'm concerned. (I voted Chicago)
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Might just as well be Chicago v Santana as far as I'm concerned. (I voted Chicago)


Pretty much of the same opinion. Both bands were firing on all cylinders at this stage of their career. Ultimately, Chicago is my choice too.

Bitches Brew is certainly a historically important album. However, I never got on with it as well as other Miles Davis albums during this period such as Jack Johnson and In a Silent Way.
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Definitely, Bitches Brew, while Abraxas is quite as sure Latin Rock in my book.




 


Edited by David_D - February 11 2025 at 10:40
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Definitely, Bitches Brew, while Abraxas is quite as sure Latin Rock to me. 


Both Discogs and Wikipedia have Jazz Fusion, as well as Latin Rock, Psychedelic Rock and Blues Rock for style / genre listed for Abraxas. Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but obviously someone believes there is enough Jazz Fusion in Abraxas to list it under style / genre of music.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2025 at 13:51
Stone Flute was one of my favourite album recommendations that I have had in my time at PA and get my vote. I also love Alice Coltrane's Ptah, The El Daoud, David Axelrod's Earth Rot, Miles Davis' Bitches Brew, and Santana's Abraxas. And I like the Zappa albums. I like it when I see several albums I like enough in a poll to want to mention. Very nice poll.

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Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Definitely, Bitches Brew, while Abraxas is quite as sure Latin Rock to me. 

Both Discogs and Wikipedia have Jazz Fusion, as well as Latin Rock, Psychedelic Rock and Blues Rock for style / genre listed for Abraxas. Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but obviously someone believes there is enough Jazz Fusion in Abraxas to list it under style / genre of music.

Anyway, I find the question quite relevant, as it may be seen as a kind of colonialism or suppression of ethnic minority, for not to talk about possible lack of respect for the intensions of the artist - even all that may also be seen as some unusual considerations. Smile

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Definitely, Bitches Brew, while Abraxas is quite as sure Latin Rock to me. 

Both Discogs and Wikipedia have Jazz Fusion, as well as Latin Rock, Psychedelic Rock and Blues Rock for style / genre listed for Abraxas. Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but obviously someone believes there is enough Jazz Fusion in Abraxas to list it under style / genre of music.


Anyway, I find the question quite relevant, as it may be seen as a kind of colonialism or suppression of ethnic minority, for not to talk about possible lack of respect for the intensions of the artist - even all that may also be seen as some unusual considerations. Smile



Ok.... never thought to see that listed as a possible reason....
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^^That's only the second dumbest comment I've seen here in 2025. There should be more than enough actual supression to be concerned about - so there's really no need to make that sh*t up. If you do not notice the Jazz Fusion element on Abraxas as soon as the album starts with "Singing Winds, Crying Beasts", I don't know what to tell you. It's not like Fusion typically dominates the album, but it's present here and there as a natural part of the whole. That's why multiple tags works better at describing both artists and albums, than just one genre per full discography. You know that an album (or even a song) can represent more than one genre at once right? Or maybe you don't, as I remember you had a hard time understanding that Black Sabbath could be Hard Rock and Heavy Metal simultaneously.

-A couple of albums later Santana went all in an made the full blown Jazz Fusion/Jazz-Rock-masterpiece Caravanserai. Of course their Latin Rock is still present, but that's the thing with Jazz Fusion. It can be fused with practically any kind of musical style - or tradition.
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