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    Posted: January 15 2024 at 05:01

2 stars 2005: Iris Camaa - Straight from the Shoulder 
3 stars 1992: Christopher Franke - Universal Soldier (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCCJ_xylQ4E0Nz5q5Z89X5_Xpq4GKAJW5
3 stars 1975: Edgar Froese - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPeW7KNEPSw
3 stars 1994: Paul Haslinger - Future Primitive - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPmy2xWsui0
3 stars 1983: Steve Joliffe - Journeys Out of the Body - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGElDlmv_RQ
4 stars 2019: Thorsten Quaeschning - The Munich Session - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEV90CM1DQY
4 stars 1988: Johannes Schmoelling - The Zoo of Tranquility - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nhboo7paHBUeqdi36lr78JJ8whsoeQrK4
3 stars 2003: Ulrich Schnauss - A Strangely Isolated Place - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9svsmx4XvM
2 stars 1972: Conrad Schnitzler - Con '72 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5WakYJtLcc
3 stars 1973: Klaus Schulze - Cyborg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq0IGQmWLco
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Peter Baumann - Trans Harmonic Nights.

(The only album I have heard from this selection) Smile
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Originally posted by Octopus II Octopus II wrote:

Peter Baumann - Trans Harmonic Nights.

(The only album I have heard from this selection) Smile
You'd have to be a serious Tangerine Dream fan to have listened to all of Iris Camaa's albums, although she sounds more like Lady Gaga than Tangerine Dream. Tongue
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I voted for Edgar Froese. However, I really like all the rest, and are all very close to me in terms of quality music.
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Edgar Froese - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (1975)
                      quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2024 at 09:58
Edgar's going to take this one. Landslide. Peter's is good, and I've loved Hoenig's Xcept One since it appeared out of nowhere in '87. Classics.

Camaa's is probably a pop album.
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yikes!!!Pinch

Baumann and Hoenig have veered Casio electronic-box pop Thumbs Down

Schmoelling is embarrassingly pedantic and pedestrianPig

This fight is (as expected) between the two masters, Edgar & Klaus
Joliffe & Schnitzler are battling for a distant third. 


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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

yikes!!!Pinch

Baumann and Hoenig have veered Casio electronic-box pop Thumbs Down

Schmoelling is embarrassingly pedantic and pedestrianPig

This fight is (as expected) between the two masters, Edgar & Klaus
Joliffe & Schnitzler are battling for a distant third. 

I like Peter Baumann's two albums from the late 1970's, but he's about to take a New Wave downward trajectory steeper than a downhill skier during the 1980's. Confused


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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Schmoelling is embarrassingly pedantic and pedestrian


If you're unfamiliar with his post-TD discography, roughly twenty albums, please refrain from making sweeping generalizations.
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Edgar Froese,
not familiar with most of theist 1980 items
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Schmoelling is embarrassingly pedantic and pedestrian


If you're unfamiliar with his post-TD discography, roughly twenty albums, please refrain from making sweeping generalizations.

I've listened to both his albums PP had on offer before making my comments, and was definitely not impressed. Once JS came in the band, TD was never the same again (despite reassessing positively Tangram of late). He seemed to drag them down.  I'm not enthralled by Franke's solo works either, BTW, and he was in TD for many more years than almost everyone else than Edgar.

It's clear that none of the TD alumni had the brilliance of the group in its halcyon and heyday  periods and even Klaus & Edgar won't hold in the long run (that means beyond the 70's).

I guess it's much to do with the changing times & technology. 
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Epsilon in Malaysian Pale sounds like my dream album come true whenever I read about it, but never while I'm actually listening. Cyborg is 1970's Klaus Schulze and I love all of his ten first albums. So he obviously get's my vote.

-there's a handful of albums in this poll I've never heard, and never gonna give a listen. Life's too short.


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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Cyborg is 1970's Klaus Schulze and I love all of his ten first albums. So he obviously get's my vote.
Guess I should add that I got to know this first with the added 50 minute long and absolutely incredible But Beautiful bonus track. A 1977 live-recording with no real connection to the rest of the album. A full album in length in itself, and I've honestly listened to that more often than the actual album.

Schulze recounts in an interview "It was included in the re-release to give the "harsh avantgarde sounds of Cyborg a more 'beautiful' conclusion"

For those who don't know it already, I think it's up there with his mid to late-seventies studio releases/classics. But Beautiful would have been one of my favorite live albums*, was it ever released as one:

*I could have said the same thing about the full 51 minute long version of Sense (recorded in 1976) from ...Live... - originally released as a 31 minute edit in 1980, reissued in it's full version in 2007.
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I only know the Freose album but it's a gem. His solo music was as good as Tangerine Dream. I guess that gives us a clue as to where the talent was in the band. 

Regarding Sean Trane's comment I obviously disagree and enjoy the 1980-1985 period of TD a lot (somewhat resurrected for Stranger Things don't you know). Schmoelling certainly brought in a different approach but I absolutely love Logos Live and Poland for instance and Exit is one of their best alongside Tangram. The idea that he dragged them down in non existent. Of course you may prefer the 70's version of the band and that is understandable but my entry to the band was via the early 80's albums when music was collectively jumping itself off a cliff. I like a lot of instrumental music from the 80's though inc Vangelis, Jarre and a lot of the New Age stuff. I'm funny like that!
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I only know the Freose album but it's a gem. His solo music was as good as Tangerine Dream. I guess that gives us a clue as to where the talent was in the band. 

Regarding Sean Trane's comment I obviously disagree and enjoy the 1980-1985 period of TD a lot (somewhat resurrected for Stranger Things don't you know). Schmoelling certainly brought in a different approach but I absolutely love Logos Live and Poland for instance and Exit is one of their best alongside Tangram. The idea that he dragged them down in non existent. Of course you may prefer the 70's version of the band and that is understandable but my entry to the band was via the early 80's albums when music was collectively jumping itself off a cliff. I like a lot of instrumental music from the 80's though inc Vangelis, Jarre and a lot of the New Age stuff. I'm funny like that!

That's allowed, but only because it's you LOL

Yeah, Logos & Poland have their moments as well (on top of Tangram), but overall, their music appears quite diluted compared to Cherokee Lake or Ricochet

Even their movie soundtracks involvements during the Schmoelling era seemed much lamer (but more numerous, though) and their choice of films also seemed lame (I mean Risky Business   Pinch.) 

My fave 80's TD album is Green Desert Big smileLOL

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As for JMJ, I must say he loses me after the awesome Oxygène and the great Equinoxe albums. His 80's stuff is sooooo lame in comparison (IMHO, of course)
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BTW, if you're not familiar with Schulze's music, the next few to be featured in this serie of polls are actually awesome, with Timewind being my fave. Even his porno film soundtracks of the late 70's are better (IMHO) than 80's TD & solo.


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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


BTW, if you're not familiar with Schulze's music, the next few to be featured in this serie of polls are actually awesome, with Timewind being my fave. Even his porno film soundtracks of the late 70's are better (IMHO) than 80's TD & solo.

I love Klaus Schulze's two porno film soundtracks. Big smile

4 stars 1977: Klaus Schulze - Body Love (soundtrack) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzSyuIX8hvU
4 stars 1977: Klaus Schulze - Body Love 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPooZOSwzxY
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I remember when Klaus Schulze released 'The Ultimate Edition' in the year 2000.

A mind boggling limited edition 50 CD box set. Wacko 

There is one currently on e-bay for £1,285.82 plus £77.36 postage! LOL


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Originally posted by Octopus II Octopus II wrote:

I remember when Klaus Schulze released 'The Ultimate Edition' in the year 2000.

A mind boggling limited edition 50 CD box set. Wacko 

There is one currently on e-bay for £1,285.82 plus £77.36 postage! LOL
I don't own any CD albums by Klaus Schulze, but I do have the Edgar Froese Virgin Years 4-CD box set, which was roughly £1,275 cheaper than the Klaus Schulze box set. Tongue
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Octopus II Octopus II wrote:

I remember when Klaus Schulze released 'The Ultimate Edition' in the year 2000.

A mind boggling limited edition 50 CD box set. Wacko 

There is one currently on e-bay for £1,285.82 plus £77.36 postage! LOL
I don't own any CD albums by Klaus Schulze, but I do have the Edgar Froese Virgin Years 4-CD box set, which was roughly £1,275 cheaper than the Klaus Schulze box set. Tongue

Those sporting a Salvatore Dali-esque artworks are a real must-own if you ask me. Star
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I've listened to both his albums PP had on offer before making my comments, and was definitely not impressed. Once JS came in the band, TD was never the same again (despite reassessing positively Tangram of late). He seemed to drag them down.


While I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion, that's quite a flimsy one. Schmoelling is arguably the single best "musician" to pass through TD's ranks, and he's much better than any of the guys who've continued to "carry the torch" after Froese's death. Schmoelling's deft sense of melody and penchant for arranging are why Froese brought him into the fold in the first place. By comparison, Baumann was a dabbler (and I do love what he did in the '70s) and had he stayed, he would've brought the entire house crashing down for nothing more than his longing to be a pop artist. Baumann proved himself to be a shrewd businessman and had much more success in that world than in music. (Baumann did come back with an excellent third solo instrumental album, Machines of Desire, which harks back to the '70s.)
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