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Pekka
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Posted: April 19 2023 at 13:27 |
https://www.loudersound.com/news/massive-32-disc-camel-box-set-covers-the-bands-mca-and-decca-years
Apparently there will be a gigantic box of 27 CDs and 5 BDs covering the career before the independent years of the 90s and onwards. Notably there is one Camelproductions release in there, On the Road 1981 (and a previously unreleased track on it), but that's most likely explained by it being a BBC recording originally, so Universal has just paid them for it like CP did back in the day.
There are a few remixed albums and unreleased or rare tracks like Sarah (never heard of this before), The Traveller, Autumn and Riverman, but most of the live stuff has already been out on previous reissues. Here's the full track listing and a god-awful cover image that I hope is just a placeholder: Camel: Air Born: The MCA & Decca Years 1973-1984 CD 1 – Camel (1973): CD 2 – Mirage (1974): CD 3: CD 4 – Live at Marquee Club, London – 20th June 1974: CD 5: CD 6 – The Snow Goose (1975): CD 7: CD 8 – A Live Record (1978): CD 9 – Moonmadness (1976): CD 10 – Live at Hammersmith Odeon – 14th April 1976 – 1: CD 11 – Live at Hammersmith Odeon – 14th April 1976 – 1: CD 12 – Rain Dances (1977): CD 13: CD 14 – Live at Hammersmith Odeon – 1st October 1977 – 1: CD 14 – Live at Hammersmith Odeon – 1st October 1977- 2: CD 16 – Breathless (1978): CD 17 – I Can See Your House from Here (1979): CD 18 – Nude (1981): CD 19 – On The Road 1981 (1997): CD 20 – The Single Factor (1982): CD 21 – Stationary Traveller (1984): CD 22 – Pressure Points: Live in Concert – 1: CD 23 – Pressure Points: Live in Concert – 1: CD 24 – Camel / Mirage – stereo remix: CD 25 – The Snow Goose – stereo remix: CD 26 – Moonmadness – stereo remix: CD 27 – Nude – stereo remix: Blu-ray 1 – Camel / Mirage – 5.1 Surround Sound mix: Blu-ray 2 – The Snow Goose / Moonmadness – 5.1 Surround Sound mix: Blu-ray 3 – Nude – 5.1 Surround Sound mix: Blu-ray 4 – Promo Videos and Live: Blu-ray 5 – Pressure Points – concert film: |
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Manuel
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My only problem with this set is that I have all Camel's studio and live albums, and for the price tag that surely will come with it, I don't know if I want to pay that much for the unreleased material that comes with it.
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Pekka
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Yes, that's always the problem with box sets like this. I'd love it if they just left the regular albums out and only released the rare recordings, remixed albums and the live recordings that have previously been sprinkled all over the previous reissues and needed to be assembled into playlists to be played in proper order. I guess there's some calculations behind putting everything there and trusting that enough people who already own most of it buy it anyway with the redundant material and higher price tag.
The shops that have already listed have had it around 165 dollars or 140 euros. |
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Jared
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I don't really see the point. I thought they did an excellent job with the 2002 remasters, practically all of which is still readily available at around £6 each new and all contain a generous offering of bonus tracks as it is. Overall, I think I'm happy to be happy with what I'm happy with....
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Cristi
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how much would such a big boxset cost?
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Pekka
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Here's my attempt at breaking down what's actually new or available in a convenient form for the first time for those that have some versions of every album already. Single versions omitted since they rarely matter at all.
CD 1 – Camel (1973): I consider myself a pretty obsessive Camel archaeologist and I had never ever heard of a track called Sarah, so that's the biggest surprise of the entire box. If I remember correctly this version of Homage has (since the original release) only been available on the CP release '73-'75 Gods of Light which isn't very well known I guess. CD 2 – Mirage (1974): bonus tracks – demo session – Decca Studios 15th June 1973: These demo recordings have never been released to my knowledge and The Traveller is completely unreleased in any form officially. I've heard it on a 1973 bootleg before, it's great to have some sort of a studio version of it. CD 3: This mix of Lady Fantasy was included on the 2002 Mirage reissue. This is the first CD release of Autumn which has only been inconveniently available on the Moondances DVD before. Of the BBC recordings Ligging and Arubaluba were released on the Rainbow's End box set, the other two are unreleased. CD 4 – Live at Marquee Club, London – 20th June 1974: CD 5: Again this entire Marquee recording is entirely unreleased previously if the information on this and previous releases is correct. All 1974 tour recordings that have been released on A Live Record and the Mirage and Snow Goose reissues have been from an October 1974 date, so this June date has never been issued before. CD 7: 1. Riverman Like Autumn above, Riverman has only been available on the Moondances DVD so this is the first CD release. The live recordings were released on the 2CD Deluxe Edition of Snow Goose some years ago, this is basically the same bonus disc plus Riverman. CD 8 – A Live Record (1978): This is in fact not previously unreleased, but only available on the Lunar Sea compilation from the turn of the century. This is a recording with the symphony orchestra as is the Snow Goose recording that precedes it. CD 9 – Moonmadness (1976): Spirit of the Water demo was on the 2002 reissue, but the other two are unreleased as stated here. CD 10 – Live at Hammersmith Odeon – 14th April 1976 – 1: 1. Aristillus CD 11 – Live at Hammersmith Odeon – 14th April 1976 – 1: A couple of these tracks were included on the A Live Record reissue and the entire show as a bonus on the Moonmadness 2CD Deluxe Edition. That one had Lunar Sea taken off from the running order and included on the first disc, so this is the first time the concert is presented in a proper way. CD 12 – Rain Dances (1977): CD 13: Up to here this is basically the Rain Dances Tour section of the reissue of A Live Record, minus Song Within a Song which comes up a bit later. BBC in Concert – Golders Green Hippodrome – 29th September 1977: Six of these tracks were on the 2009 reissue of Rain Dances and the whole show on the Moondances DVD, so for four of these tracks this is the first audio release. CD 14 – Live at Hammersmith Odeon – 1st October 1977 – 1: CD 14 – Live at Hammersmith Odeon – 1st October 1977- 2: As far as I can tell only Song Within a Song has been previously released on A Live Record, otherwise this is all unreleased stuff. CD 18 – Nude (1981): Interesting to hear what this is like. CD 19 – On The Road 1981 (1997): This is basically the CP release of the same name as indicated, but Summer Lightning and Ice were not included on that for some reason as the show apparently still fits onto one CD. CD 21 – Stationary Traveller (1984): These were included in the CP reissue of Stationary Traveller, not on the original Decca version. This is the rare occasion where a single version is a worthwhile addition, since this is in fact the original version of the track which was then cut severely for the eventual album. CD 22 – Pressure Points: Live in Concert – 1: CD 23 – Pressure Points: Live in Concert – 1: CD 24 – Camel / Mirage – stereo remix: CD 25 – The Snow Goose – stereo remix: CD 26 – Moonmadness – stereo remix: CD 27 – Nude – stereo remix: Blu-ray 1 – Camel / Mirage – 5.1 Surround Sound mix: Blu-ray 2 – The Snow Goose / Moonmadness – 5.1 Surround Sound mix: Blu-ray 3 – Nude – 5.1 Surround Sound mix: Blu-ray 4 – Promo Videos and Live: Lots of wrong information here I assume, everything here has been released before on the Footage DVDs and Moondances. Selections from The Snow Goose is most likely the Old Grey Whistle Test 1975 recording from Footage I, the six tracks that claim to be from 1975 are really from Hammersmith in 1976 and previously available on Moondances, the tracks that claim to be from Hammersmith in 1977 are really the same 1977 Golders Green recordings from Moondances and CD 13 of this box, and the final two Nude tracks are obviously not from 1977 but Old Grey Whistle Test recordings from 1981 previously available on the Footages one track each. Blu-ray 5 – Pressure Points – concert film: So depending on what versions you own previously there might be a lot here that's actually new and worth the money I suppose there might be a mix up in the Marquee 1974 date, since everything else on the previous reissues is included here except the October 1974 Marquee recordings. Also the versions of Ligging at Louis' and Lady Fantasy from A Live Record are not included here if the info is correct, but other recordings. Edited by Pekka - April 21 2023 at 07:57 |
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Pekka
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As said above the current listings have been about 165 dollars or 140ish euros. But it's still not officially announced, so we'll see.
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Camel is one of my all-time favourite bands, but I'm still totally uninterested by such a box set. I already have almost all of this stuff. |
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For me the main attractions are one completely unheard of song, one never previously officially released song, a complete unreleased show with Richard Sinclair and five remixed albums.
Also, not connected whether anyone buys this or not, since all of this stuff is getting a release maybe they'll finally also put all the Decca albums on digital platforms. |
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I find this hard to believe with 27 CD's and 5 Blu-ray's. It would look pretty neat on the CD shelf, however. At this price I might actually make the investment.
Edited by earlyprog - April 21 2023 at 16:15 |
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Based on some comments in a Camel group on Facebook, at least one German shop had refunded a preorder and said that Universal is pushing the release back a few months from (I guess) the May date I have seen.
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Looks like a box of cigarettes :D
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Yeah, I'll race right out to purchase that one.
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I only want the Blu-Rays for the surround mixes, but to purchase this I
have to know who did those mixes. I won't play the CDs that we have all
heard of before.
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Thanks for the info Pekka.
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My pleasure!
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Thank you re, "since everything else on the previous reissues is included here except the October 1974 Marquee recordings. Also the versions of Ligging at Louis' and Lady Fantasy from A Live Record are not included here if the info is correct, but other recordings" - sums it up in a nutshell
Reads to me that they are going for the Fanatics, not the Fans, money who will buy anything, no matter how much is previously released to have the full collection
That said, not everyone owns a Blue Ray player, but a Standard DVD one 2nd, like the e.g Jethro Tull boxsets or other so called "remixes", "remastered" , the Camel album remixes, whatever improvement, do not justify the additional price as they don't exactly make the recordings sound entirely new. Thus, I would need to hear comparisons to prove me wrong |
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Same here Manuel |
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Thank You Pekka for the accurate comparaison
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Just got notification from LaserCD that this box set has been canceled - indefinitely. Very sad, as I really, really want those surround mixes! Anyone else hear this?
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