Very progressive 2022 non-prog (or prog?)

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   Hi there,
these four albums are not listed on PA, but certainly not because they'd be too poppy and commercial... in fact I'd probably put all of these in my 2022 top 10, and who knows, maybe one of these artists still appears here before I have to submit my albums of the year? (I have seen I think three of these already listed by some PA members.)

So if you know some of them already or just one to try out some new rather leftfield music. here's my pick of 2022.

Feel free to vote even if you know only one album and like it or if you even only like the only track you know. No restrictions, all fun and good music!

The Pan Daijing album is as a single file on yt, the others are single tracks.

Poll Question: Pick one of these!
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Fractal Sextet - s/t	1	[14.29%]
Five-Storey Ensemble - Presence	2	[28.57%]
Pan Daijing - Tissues	3	[42.86%]
Läuten der Seele - s/t	1	[14.29%]
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Lewian Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15186	Post Options Post Reply Quote Lewian Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Very progressive 2022 non-prog (or prog?) Posted: January 19 2023 at 18:06
	Hi there, these four albums are not listed on PA, but certainly not because they'd be too poppy and commercial... in fact I'd probably put all of these in my 2022 top 10, and who knows, maybe one of these artists still appears here before I have to submit my albums of the year? (I have seen I think three of these already listed by some PA members.) So if you know some of them already or just one to try out some new rather leftfield music. here's my pick of 2022. Feel free to vote even if you know only one album and like it or if you even only like the only track you know. No restrictions, all fun and good music! The Pan Daijing album is as a single file on yt, the others are single tracks.

Lewian Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15186	Post Options Post Reply Quote Lewian Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 20 2023 at 06:46
	Any takers?

mathman0806 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6838	Post Options Post Reply Quote mathman0806 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 20 2023 at 10:31
	I am making my way through. I am enjoying these. I have Thelen's Fractal Guitar, a couple of Sonar, and the World Dialogue but not had listened to this one yet. It's solid with some great playing. The Five -Storey Assemble is good but not feeling it for chamber music today. Didn't hold my attention but the Pan Daijing Tissues is stunning in my opinion. The sparseness and textures are quite compelling. Just about a third into it. I will need to do a full listen later when I have time. I haven't gotten to Läuten der Seele yet.

Logan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37517	Post Options Post Reply Quote Logan Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 20 2023 at 14:36
	I think that Pan Daijing's Tissues may have been the first album that I heard from 2022, and it has remained my pick of the year (that and The Smile's album). I have not listened to many albums from 2022. None of the other three albums have I heard in full, but I did listen to all of the tracks earlier today. Of the others, I think that Läuten der Seele was my favourite, but I still enjoy Tissues the most of these. I have been thinking about suggesting her for PA for some time, but then there's a lot of related music that could also fit PA if she were to be considered as an experimental artist with electronic qualities, and it might be considered opening something of a can of post-industrial worms. Edited by Logan - January 21 2023 at 22:28

jamesbaldwin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052	Post Options Post Reply Quote jamesbaldwin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 20 2023 at 16:19
	I dont know these albums. Thanks to Christian for these suggestions, I'll listen to them.
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suitkees Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050	Post Options Post Reply Quote suitkees Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 21 2023 at 04:31
	Haven't heard any of these albums yet, but these samples do incite me to explore them. Probably would have come to Sextet anyway because I like most of what Thelen is involved with. However, this might risk a "more of the same" tag... For my vote it is between this one and the Five-Storey Ensemble track. The other two are intriguing too, but based on these samples and what I heard I'll vote for Five-Storey Ensemble. This could change of course once I've listend to all the albums...
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mathman0806 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6838	Post Options Post Reply Quote mathman0806 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 21 2023 at 06:57
	Pan Daijing gets my vote. It really stuck with me. Second goes to the self-titled Läuten der Seele (along with the 2nd 2022 release). Fractal Sextet did suffer from "more of the same" that Kees suggested but the playing is outstanding and really dug into Colin Edwin's fretless bass grooves. I should give Five-Storey Ensemble another listen as I liked it, but it didn't fit with how I was feeling at that time.

Lewian Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15186	Post Options Post Reply Quote Lewian Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 21 2023 at 16:55
	I've by the way voted for Five-Storey Ensemble, I just love that album. The Fractal Sextet album is slightly more smooth and conventional than what I know of Sonar, and as such I see some difference, but I don't know other Thelen stuff. I like it a lot but don't see it quite up with my favourite Sonar material (which is a very high benchmark indeed). Läuten der Seele is fun and very creative, but the album has the odd track that I don't like that much. A top album but it can't win against really strong competition. So I'd rank Pan Daijing second, really great album, just the FSE intrigues me even more. Edited by Lewian - January 21 2023 at 16:56

mathman0806 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6838	Post Options Post Reply Quote mathman0806 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 21 2023 at 18:49
	With Läuten der Seele, I think I prefer the second album with the title much too long for me to typeor remember. That has two 20-minute tracks with a better flow in my opinion.

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	I love the latest Pan Daijing album. One of my first albums of 2022 actually. I never suggested them because it lacks any rock elements. RYM lists it as post-industrial, opera, experimental, drone, dark ambient, electroacoustic, modern classical. I'd mostly agree with those tags. Experimental isn't enough for inclusion here. There has to be some rock or at least some relationship with it. There are artists on PA that i don't think belong here but that's another story :)
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moshkito Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18148	Post Options Post Reply Quote moshkito Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 21 2023 at 20:36
	Hi, AWESOME START for the year with some new stuff ... Hi, Wow ... that Pan Daijing is outstanding ... really nice listen, and then to realize that Colin Edwin is a part of it, and realiazing that there was a slight touch of a feeling I had before in the olden days of PT when it was a trip band, instead of a voice-noise band! I'll be on the lookout for this and pick it up ... this is too good not to have in the collection. Hearing this, makes me realize how pretentious and not very good the new PT album is, with it over-production trying to make the music better and failing badly! Looking for this one right now! Five-Storey Ensemble ... also very nice, with what I would say a lot of modern music stuff in it, in that it seems choppy, but somehow it stays in one piece, and ends up being satisfying. Not totally my thing, but a very interesting listen, that is very different. Tissues ... is this labeled correctly? On top it says it is Pan Daijing, but this is not anything like the previous piece by them you showed. This is a heck of a far out trip and I enjoyed it a lot. And wow, does it ever get better ... one almost would think that this was a kind of Klaus Schulze piece with less electronics going through it (WORKS albums stuff!!!) for its beauty and touch. Totally satisfying stuff ... lovely and a must for my collection! I guess that one could say that this was a logical extension of a lot of classical music in the past 50 years ... the idea of that oblique and strange stuff we heard in the 60's and 70's all of a sudden coming alive in ways that we had not thought of it. This is neat. Way too experimental for the rock minded folks, but so well done and off its rocker ... it's hard to even describe it! To give you an idea, I started listening to it and could not get out of it! Lauten der Steele ... on it right now ... no words yet ... just listening. I did not quite like how it ended, as if it was missing something for my ears. Nice though, not as strong or able to wake up your jollies as the Pan Daijing stuff in my book, but still nice. Edited by moshkito - January 21 2023 at 20:47
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suitkees Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050	Post Options Post Reply Quote suitkees Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 22 2023 at 04:11
	Listened to the whole Pan Daijing thing and although it is very captivating in its ideas and sounds, at several moments I got really bored by it. Maybe the compositional/atmospherics are too much drawn out or developping too slowly to my liking to keep my attention. But it sounds great in its ideas and the ambiance it creates. Now listening to Five-Storey Ensemble...
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Lewian Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15186	Post Options Post Reply Quote Lewian Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 22 2023 at 04:52
	@Pedro: You write as if you think the first one was Pan Daijing, too, but the first one is Fractal Sextet, only the third one is Pan Daijing.

suitkees Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050	Post Options Post Reply Quote suitkees Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 22 2023 at 09:39
	Listened now also to the other three albums. Läuten der Seele is an interesting "found footage" endeavour, with its samples and loops, but most tracks sound a bit unfinished to me. Also listened to one of those 20 mins. tracks George referred to and that sounded more accomplished to my ears. Nice discovery. The Fractal Sextet was an enjoyable listen, more easy going, indeed, than the Sonar albums or Thelen's Fractal Guitar album. But I stick to my vote: Five-Storey Ensemble was the great discovery of these - added to my to buy list. Thanks for putting these albums under our attention!
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