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    Posted: July 19 2022 at 04:01
Hello, everybody. I have an unhealthy fixation with lists and statistics, one that frequently rears its ugly head into the hobby of listening to music and thinking about it. One question that I've recently asked myself was 'Which prog albums can be considered the best?' One possible way to answer that question is to look at our Top 100 or the manually generated Top 250 list, where the system favours the albums with a high average rating but few votes to a sufficient extent to let said albums compete with the genre's most critically acclaimed pieces. Many other such lists exist. 

Things get more complicated when you want to narrow it down to Prog's greatest songs or compositions. It's not a task music critics of the past haven't embarked on by any means, and lists claiming to have been produced under coordination among multiple experts are out there. One such list was made by Magnum Vaeltaja here, which was a collaboration between 18 users, each of whom submitted a list of arbitrary length of their own. Quite an effort on behalf of every individual person involved, and the top of that list is sure to reflect the general situation, but it left me wondering whether any alternative was possible... and if I could do something about it. My intuition was that having many more votes was the key. 

This led me to consulting an existing database of track ratings found on the website RateYourMusic. Each album's page contains the track ratings for all songs, visible to all RYM subscribers. Naturally, the popular albums, especially the newly released ones on this vibrant music fan website, have received the most attention, and its users' preference in liking certain things over others can be identified with certain trends being evident. 

I looked for track ratings above 4.10 with at least 40 votes, the latter requirement unfortunately leading to some artists such as Motorpsycho, Big Big Train, Phideaux and Discipline being left out entirely, though they were nowhere close enough to competing with anything in the 4.40-4.70 range at the very top of the list. It does present a hurdle for more obscure - even if well-known - prog artists standing much of a chance against the so-called greats. 

Behold, here is the list:

Rank Rating Band Song Vote No.
1 4.7 King Crimson Starless 2043
2 4.68 Pink Floyd Comfortably Numb 1593
3 4.67 King Crimson 21st Century Schizoid Man (Including 'Mirrors') 3639
4 4.66 Pink Floyd Echoes 1972
5 4.65 Pink Floyd Shine On You Crazy Diamond (1-5) 3442
6 4.64 Yes  Roundabout 1065
7 4.63 Pink Floyd Time 3452
8 4.62 Pink Floyd
Wish You Were Here
3455
9 4.62 Yes  Close to the Edge 1598
10 4.61 King Crimson The Court of the Crimson King (Including 'The Return of the Fire Witch' and 'The Dance of the Puppets') 3561
11 4.6 The Moody Blues The Night: Nights in White Satin 470
12 4.59 Pink Floyd Dogs 2287
13 4.57 Can Vitamin C 1017
14 4.57 Genesis Supper's Ready 747
15 4.56 King Crimson Epitaph (Including 'March for No Reason' and 'Tomorrow and Tomorrow') 3570
16 4.53 Supertramp The Logical Song 498
17 4.53 Rush Subdivisions 346
18 4.52 Can Halleluwah 1365
19 4.52 Frank Zappa Peaches en Regalia 1093
20 4.52 Genesis Dancing With the Moonlit Knight 996
21 4.52 Genesis Firth of Fifth 987
22 4.51 Frank Zappa Watermelon in Easter Hay 135
23 4.5 Rush The Spirit of Radio 541
24 4.49 Pink Floyd Us and Them 3377
25 4.49 King Crimson Fallen Angel 1966
26 4.49 Porcupine Tree Arriving Somewhere but Not Here 438
27 4.48 Pink Floyd Hey You 1522
28 4.48 The Mars Volta Cygnus....Vismund Cygnus 696
29 4.47 Yes  Heart of the Sunrise 958
30 4.47 Jethro Tull Aqualung 565
31 4.47 Genesis The Musical Box 557
32 4.47 Camel Lady Fantasy 555
33 4.47 Porcupine Tree Anesthetize 437
34 4.46 Genesis Carpet Crawlers 461
35 4.45 Pink Floyd
Shine On You Crazy Diamond (6-9)
 3340
36 4.45 Can Paperhouse 1379
37 4.45 The Mars Volta L'Via L'Viaquez 683
38 4.45 The Mars Volta Cassandra Gemini 642
39 4.45 Focus Hocus Pocus 98
40 4.44 Pink Floyd Pigs (Three Different Ones) 2248
41 4.44 The Mars Volta Inertiatic ESP 754
42 4.44 Porcupine Tree Trains 590
43 4.43 Can Bel Air 1081
44 4.43 Jethro Tull Thick as a Brick Part 1 562
45 4.43 Supertramp Goodbye Stranger 490
46 4.43 Kansas Dust in the Wind 131
47 4.42 Pink Floyd Sheep 2228
48 4.42 Can Future Days 1113
49 4.42 King Crimson Frame by Frame 1045
50 4.41 King Crimson Red 1975
51 4.41 King Crimson One More Red Nightmare 1938
52 4.41 Rush Tom Sawyer 977
53 4.41 Comus The Herald 662
54 4.41 Comus Drip Drip 650
55 4.41 Supertramp Breakfast in America 481
56 4.41 Genesis In the Cage 437
57 4.4 Pink Floyd Another Brick in the Wall Part 2 1580
58 4.4 King Crimson Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Part Two 1040
59 4.4 Rush La Villa Strangiato 568
60 4.39 King Crimson I Talk to the Wind 3554
61 4.39 Pink Floyd Brain Damage 3314
62 4.39 Rush 2112 665
63 4.39 Genesis The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway 468
64 4.38 Yes  Starship Trooper 630
65 4.38 Porcupine Tree Blackest Eyes 586
66 4.38 Rush Xanadu 492
67 4.38 Yes  The Gates of Delirium 479
68 4.38 Can Mother Sky 369
69 4.37 Pink Floyd The Great Gig in the Sky 3398
70 4.37 Haken Celestial Elixir 70
71 4.36 Pink Floyd Money 3440
72 4.35 Can Oh Yeah 1334
73 4.35 Frank Zappa Willie the Pimp 1050
74 4.35 Comus Diana 658
75 4.35 Pink Floyd High Hopes 609
76 4.35 Camel Nimrodel / The Procession / The White Rider 542
77 4.35 Opeth Windowpane 435
78 4.35 Bacamarte Último entardecer 51
79 4.34 Pink Floyd Eclipse 3269
80 4.34 King Crimson Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Part One 1061
81 4.34 Rush YYZ 941
82 4.34 Emerson, Lake & Palmer Tarkus 314
83 4.34 Haken Visions 76
84 4.33 Pink Floyd One of These Days 1858
85 4.33 Genesis Watcher of the Skies 729
86 4.33 The Mars Volta Goliath 224
87 4.32 Can Moonshake 1085
88 4.32 Can Sing Swan Song 968
89 4.32 Genesis The Cinema Show 908
90 4.32 Yes  Yours Is No Disgrace 625
91 4.32 Mahavishnu Orchestra Meeting of the Spirits 336
92 4.32 Mike Oldfield Ommadawn Part 1 218
93 4.32 Kansas Carry on Wayward Son 198
94 4.31 Yes  And You and I 1534
95 4.31 Yes  Siberian Khatru 1528
96 4.31 Frank Zappa Son of Mr. Green Genes 1010
97 4.31 Caravan Nine Feet Underground 365
98 4.3 Can Mushroom 1349
99 4.3 Comus Song to Comus 617
100 4.3 Supertramp School 366
101 4.29 Pink Floyd Astronomy Dominé 1410
102 4.29 King Crimson Elephant Talk 1047
103 4.29 Yes  South Side of the Sky 937
104 4.29 The Mars Volta Roulette Dares (The Haunt Of) 730
105 4.29 Frank Zappa Hungry Freaks, Daddy 522
106 4.29 Porcupine Tree Lightbulb Sun 302
107 4.29 Frank Zappa Inca Roads 301
108 4.29 Frank Zappa Little House I Used to Live In 213
109 4.29 Renaissance Trip to the Fair 194
110 4.29 Gong Master Builder 166
111 4.29 Magma De Futura 114
112 4.28 Jethro Tull Locomotive Breath 511
113 4.28 Frank Zappa Uncle Remus 412
114 4.28 Frank Zappa Apostrophe 407
115 4.28 Genesis Dance on a Volcano 352
116 4.28 Frank Zappa Dog Breath, in the Year of the Plague 225
117 4.28 Gentle Giant Proclamation 183
118 4.27 King Crimson Indiscipline 1021
119 4.27 Camel Song Within a Song 264
120 4.27 Frank Zappa My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama 191
121 4.26 Pink Floyd
Welcome to the Machine
3364
122 4.26 King Crimson Thela Hun Ginjeet 1020
123 4.26 Rush Limelight 936
124 4.26 The Mars Volta Eriatarka 700
125 4.26 Frank Zappa Trouble Every Day 498
126 4.26 Porcupine Tree Fear of a Blank Planet 422
127 4.26 Genesis The Knife 376
128 4.25 Can I'm So Green 959
129 4.25 The Mars Volta The Widow 695
130 4.25 King Crimson Islands 648
131 4.25 Rush Freewill 529
132 4.25 Van der Graaf Generator Man-Erg 388
133 4.25 Amon Düül II Soap Shop Rock 305
134 4.25 The Mars Volta Day of the Baphomets 278
135 4.25 The Mars Volta Viscera Eyes 273
136 4.25 Porcupine Tree The Sky Moves Sideways (Phase One) 178
137 4.25 Gong Flying Teapot 177
138 4.25 Supertramp Give a Little Bit 171
139 4.25 Premiata Forneria Marconi Impressioni di settembre 137
140 4.25 Renaissance Mother Russia 89
141 4.25 Frank Zappa Filthy Habits 73
142 4.24 Porcupine Tree Lazarus 429
143 4.24 Frank Zappa Cosmik Debris 412
144 4.24 Frank Zappa Who Needs the Peace Corps 368
145 4.24 Porcupine Tree Shesmovedon 308
146 4.24 Van der Graaf Generator Killer 247
147 4.24 Camel Rhayader 206
148 4.24 Frank Zappa The Orange County Lumber Truck 185
149 4.24 Renaissance Song of Scheherazade 181
150 4.23 The Mars Volta Drunkship of Lanterns 708
151 4.23 Genesis Fly on a Windshield 437
152 4.23 Van der Graaf Generator A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers 383
153 4.23 Rush Red Sector A 251
154 4.22 Pink Floyd
Have a Cigar
 3349
155 4.22 Rush Cygnus X-1 Book II - Hemispheres 557
156 4.22 Genesis The Fountain of Salmacis 513
157 4.22 Porcupine Tree Russia on Ice 297
158 4.22 The Mars Volta Tetragrammaton 288
159 4.22 Van der Graaf Generator Pilgrims 152
160 4.22 Gong I Niver Glid Before 93
161 4.22 Magma K.A III 81
162 4.22 Marillion Afraid of Sunlight 62
163 4.21 Can Spoon 938
164 4.21 Rush Natural Science 503
165 4.21 Genesis
The Lamia
 422
166 4.21 The Moody Blues The Afternoon: Forever Afternoon (Tuesday?): (Evening) Time to Get Away 402
167 4.21 Yes  Awaken 282
168 4.21 Porcupine Tree Even Less 253
169 4.21 Rush Distant Early Warning 249
170 4.21 Wishbone Ash Sometime World 232
171 4.21 Frank Zappa King Kong (Live on a Flat Bed Diesel in the Middle of a Race Track at a Miami Festival... The Underwood Ramifications) 197
172 4.21 Yes  Machine Messiah 196
173 4.21 Frank Zappa Joe's Garage 149
174 4.21 Steven Wilson Deform to Form a Star 133
175 4.21 Banco del Mutuo Soccorso R.I.P. (Requiescant in pace) 68
176 4.2 Pink Floyd Interstellar Overdrive 1382
177 4.2 Camel Freefall 541
178 4.2 Porcupine Tree Deadwing 412
179 4.2 Gentle Giant Pantagruel's Nativity 204
180 4.2 Camel Rhayader Goes to Town 198
181 4.2 Frank Zappa King Kong (It's Magnificence as Interpreted by Dom DeWild) 194
182 4.2 Camel La princesse perdue 183
183 4.2 Harmonium Histoires sans paroles 177
184 4.2 Camel Never Let Go 169
185 4.2 Uriah Heep July Morning 150
186 4.2 Renaissance Ashes Are Burning 108
187 4.2 Return to Forever Spain 79
188 4.2 Transatlantic Duel With the Devil 45
189 4.19 Pink Floyd In the Flesh? 1488
190 4.19 Yes  I've Seen All Good People 626
191 4.19 Robert Wyatt Sea Song 533
192 4.19 Steven Wilson Luminol 366
193 4.19 Supertramp Crime of the Century 345
194 4.19 Frank Zappa Camarillo Brillo 279
195 4.19 Camel Lunar Sea 245
196 4.19 Frank Zappa King Kong (The Gardner Varieties) 199
197 4.19 Frank Zappa King Kong Itself (As Played by The Mothers in a Studio) 196
198 4.19 Frank Zappa The Ocean Is the Ultimate Solution 72
199 4.19 Marillion Easter 67
200 4.19 Museo Rosenbach Zarathustra 57
201 4.19 Banco del Mutuo Soccorso Canto nomade per un prigioniero politico 53
202 4.19 Magma Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré II 47
203 4.18 The Mars Volta Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt 680
204 4.18 King Crimson Fracture 573
205 4.18 Rush Cygnus X-1 469
206 4.18 Opeth In My Time of Need 415
207 4.18 Genesis it 407
208 4.18 Caravan Winter Wine 368
209 4.18 Van der Graaf Generator Scorched Earth 242
210 4.18 Marillion Kayleigh 206
211 4.18 Frank Zappa Holiday in Berlin, Full Blown 204
212 4.18 Frank Zappa King Kong (As Motorhead Explains It) 194
213 4.18 Gentle Giant In a Glass House 164
214 4.18 Caravan Can't Be Long Now / Françoise / For Richard / Warlock 132
215 4.17 Pink Floyd Lucifer Sam 1364
216 4.17 King Crimson Easy Money 1048
217 4.17 Comus The Prisoner 584
218 4.17 Jethro Tull Thick as a Brick Part 2 546
219 4.17 Pink Floyd Careful With That Axe, Eugene 531
220 4.17 Supertramp Take the Long Way Home 454
221 4.17 Frank Zappa What's the Ugliest Part of Your Body? 368
222 4.17 Frank Zappa Absolutely Free 352
223 4.17 Genesis Entangled 351
224 4.17 Mike Oldfield Tubular Bells (Part One) 344
225 4.17 Mahavishnu Orchestra The Noonward Race 315
226 4.17 Camel The Snow Goose 192
227 4.17 Supertramp Fool's Overture 160
228 4.17 Frank Zappa Bobby Brown 159
229 4.17 Rush Headlong Flight 155
230 4.17 Renaissance Can You Understand? 108
231 4.17 Frank Zappa REDUNZL 79
232 4.17 U.K. In the Dead of Night 64
233 4.17 Peter Hammill (In The) Black Room / Tower 46
234 4.16 Pink Floyd Mother 1496
235 4.16 King Crimson Matte kudasai 1022
236 4.16 Frank Zappa The Gumbo Variations 970
237 4.16 The Mars Volta Cicatriz ESP 694
238 4.16 King Crimson The Great Deceiver 596
239 4.16 Porcupine Tree The Sound of Muzak 542
240 4.16 Genesis The Return of the Giant Hogweed 519
241 4.16 Genesis Counting Out Time 432
242 4.16 Frank Zappa Take Your Clothes Off When You Dance 346
243 4.16 Rush Fly by Night 320
244 4.16 Rush The Analog Kid 318
245 4.16 Frank Zappa Montana 271
246 4.16 Emerson, Lake & Palmer Karn Evil 9 1st Impression - Part 1 225
247 4.16 Gentle Giant Playing the Game 185
248 4.16 Gentle Giant The Runaway 166
249 4.16 Soft Machine Hibou, Anemone and Bear 115
250 4.16 Banco del Mutuo Soccorso L'evoluzione 77
251 4.16 Caravan L'auberge du sanglier / A Hunting We Shall Go / Pengola / Backwards / A Hunting Shall We Go (Reprise) 75
252 4.16 Magma Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré III 44
253 4.15 Pink Floyd Atom Heart Mother 1151
254 4.15 Yes  Long Distance Runaround 936
255 4.15 Rush Red Barchetta 917
256 4.15 King Crimson Cirkus (Including 'Entry of the Chameleons') 642
257 4.15 Rush A Farewell to Kings 478
258 4.15 Frank Zappa Nanook Rubs It 413
259 4.15 Rush Anthem 315
260 4.15 Tangerine Dream Phaedra 311
261 4.15 Amon Düül II Eye-Shaking King 290
262 4.15 Return to Forever Return to Forever 167
263 4.15 Gong The Isle of Everywhere 156
264 4.15 Steve Hackett Shadow of the Hierophant 88
265 4.14 Jethro Tull Cross-Eyed Mary 506
266 4.14 Genesis Back in N.Y.C. 439
267 4.14 Genesis Ripples 351
268 4.14 Steven Wilson 3 Years Older 249
269 4.14 Van der Graaf Generator The Sleepwalkers 234
270 4.14 Jethro Tull Bourée 234
271 4.14 Magma Hortz Fur Dëhn Stekëhn West 201
272 4.14 Uriah Heep Easy Livin' 166
273 4.14 Marillion Script for a Jester's Tear 160
274 4.14 Rush The Garden 157
275 4.14 Jethro Tull Heavy Horses 138
276 4.14 Premiata Forneria Marconi Appena un po' 121
277 4.14 maudlin of the Well An Excerpt From 6,000,000,000,000 Miles Before the First, or, The Revisitation of the Blue Ghost 98
278 4.14 Peter Hammill A Louse Is Not a Home 93
279 4.14 Eloy Poseidon's Creation 81
280 4.14 Kansas Song for America 70
281 4.14 Hawkwind Magnu 70
282 4.13 Pink Floyd Fearless (Including "You'll Never Walk Alone") 1817
283 4.13 King Crimson Lizard a) Prince Rupert Awakes 600
284 4.13 Frank Zappa Any Way the Wind Blows 483
285 4.13 Supertramp Child of Vision 428
286 4.13 Genesis One for the Vine 241
287 4.13 Emerson, Lake & Palmer Karn Evil 9 1st Impression - Part 2 219
288 4.13 Emerson, Lake & Palmer From the Beginning 153
289 4.13 Gentle Giant Free Hand 137
290 4.13 Jethro Tull Minstrel in the Gallery 131
291 4.13 Magma Kobaia 90
292 4.13 Bacamarte UFO 53
293 4.13 Magma The Last Seven Minutes (1970-1977, Phase I) 50
294 4.12 Pink Floyd Run Like Hell 1419
295 4.12 Genesis I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) 954
296 4.12 Comus The Bite 589
297 4.12 Robert Wyatt Little Red Riding Hood Hit the Road 503
298 4.12 Rush Closer to the Heart 485
299 4.12 Genesis The Chamber of 32 Doors 420
300 4.12 Frank Zappa Don't Eat the Yellow Snow 417

Spotify playlist - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/43Zbj754rIHgi8bZQ6V0UZ?si=afc478438c7f4ea7 (copy and paste) 

One important question was what exactly should be considered; a cause of grief for members of this website and other prog communities. I approached the issue my own way, selecting albums from PA's Top 250 and looking up the RYM track ratings for the songs therein. Tracks from artists' non-prog eras like Genesis' pop period or anything from Opeth outside Damnation were left of (output from Heritage onwards would qualify, but the track ratings are far too low to make the list). 

The list was formed by artists considered prog in classic mid-noughties era PA before prog-adjacent and other less obvious artists were added to the database, so I felt it right to exclude tracks by the likes of Miles Davis (whether it's fair to omit his fusion tracks while including the best ones by Return to Forever, you be the judge) as well as those by Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel and so forth, to have a more prog-oriented list. Nonetheless, prog 'hits' like The Logical Song, Tom Sawyer and Hocus Pocus rank very well on the list, perhaps more than they should against monumental epics like Karn Evil 9 and Cygnus X-1. 

Another matter was what to do about all the progressive metal, some of which the userbase of RYM seems to have a way better familiarity compared to that of PA. I was initially including Dream Theater songs liberally, moving on to Opeth and Queensryche, and when I got to Death I started questioning how much metal, if any, I wanted on the list at all. The result was not including any at all. A similar list for Prog Metal is currently a work in progress, with even more questions to answer ('Do I include djent / techdeath / sludge / blackgaze / albums with a 'prog' secondary? / etc.'). I might post it later, alongside other lists for other prog subgenres. 

Some of the choices may be deemed unfair by fans of specific bands on the list. For instance, there is a lot of Zappa appreciation, and the whole First Utterance album from Comus is on the list, but considerably less for Gentle Giant, VdGG, Marillion or IQ, with lower tracks average, to say nothing of new prog that isn't Steven Wilson or The Mars Volta. This is where the list loses to a critic-generated one that tries to acknowledge achievements in a diverse body of music. Still, that's what you get from the unholy union of looking up RYM track ratings based on ProgArchives' top albums and artists. You can argue that any list will neglect to include some of our favourite artists and subgenres. 

At the end of the day, it's mostly there to provide an answer to the question of which of the big tracks is in fact the best one, though by users who are very likely to be outsiders to this country or any other that is united by interest in prog. 

In my spare time, I like to unwind by making all sort of lists based on data to subsequently listen to it all in the form of carefully-made Spotify playlists, and I suddenly got curious if I could use it as something to talk to others about. 

Which artists' contributions and achievements do you find the list to acknowledge most poorly? Would any choices in terms of what should be considered prog for the purposes of making the list lead to a superior resource? Very eager to hear any comments here. 


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A nice list! I love all of the songs in the Top 12. Thumbs Up
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Appreciate the effort you made to create this list. That said, it's no surprise most of the entries are from dinosaur prog bands and modern prog bands are absent. The entries provided seem to be the most commercial choices, not ones I would pick.
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There's probably over 200 songs on that list that I love, so no "complaints" (and what use is there to complain about statistics anyway...). I'm guessing without checking with PA's top 250 albums, there would be more "post-rock" - mainly from Talk Talk, GY!BE, Swans and maybe Tortoise here? Also it seems Progressive electronic is left out? Or isn't anything from Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Jean Michel Jarre... or Kraftwerk popular enough?  
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I've always liked Supertramp, but the biggest surprise is The Logical Song at #16 in the list, which is Highly Illogical. Geek



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Close To The Edge at #9 and Suppers Ready at #14 tends to make this list seem less than awesome...
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Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Close To The Edge at #9 and Suppers Ready at #14 tends to make this list seem less than awesome...

I agree. Plus other than Porcupine Tree and The Mars Volta there's hardly any modern prog on the list.
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Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Close To The Edge at #9 and Suppers Ready at #14 tends to make this list seem less than awesome...
What are you talking about? Being in the top 10 and 15 of an entire genre (and songs even, not albums) is still extremely high. The songs that beat them are all classics.

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I've always liked Supertramp, but the biggest surprise is The Logical Song at #16 in the list, which is Highly Illogical. Geek
I mean, it's based on quality, not progginess, and The Logical Song is a damn high quality pop song, I'd say.
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Made a Spotify playlist of the whole list, which you can play here - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/43Zbj754rIHgi8bZQ6V0UZ?si=1f3952bd3b894705
I know Spotify isn't as popular on these forums, but the younger users may appreciate it. 

https://filetransfer.io/data-package/Wy29FjON#link
And here's the Excel sheet with all 350 files that qualified for the list, including fifty that didn't quite make it. You can download it to open on your device and sort them by band, and the like. Expires in 30 days, it seems (I tried sharing with Google Drive, but apparently it also makes you log in as me instead? That's creepy). 

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

A nice list! I love all of the songs in the Top 12. Thumbs Up

I guess you're not a Can fan. Tongue Considering the indie cred they have, I was a little afraid of adding any krautrock to the list, fearing they may take over the classic prog tracks many of us would rather see. I ended up only adding the four krautrock albums we have in our top 250 on PA. It turns out that measure was unnecessary as there are ONLY 30 songs in the entire krautrock genre that fulfil the criteria to be considered for the list (average rating 4.1+ / 40+ votes). So as important Can are for noise rock and other genres RYM users care about, the actual appreciation extends to an extremely restricted range of records. 

Here's the full krautrock list, if you're interested:

1 4.57 Can Vitamin C 1017
2 4.52 Can Halleluwah 1365
3 4.45 Can Paperhouse 1379
4 4.43 Can Bel Air 1081
5 4.42 Can Future Days 1113
6 4.42 NEU! Hallogallo 640
7 4.38 Can Mother Sky 369
8 4.35 Can Oh Yeah 1334
9 4.35 NEU! Isi 432
10 4.32 Can Moonshake 1085
11 4.32 Can Sing Swan Song 968
12 4.3 Can Mushroom 1349
13 4.27 Popol Vuh Aguirre I 55
14 4.26 Faust Jennifer 435
15 4.25 Amon Düül II Soap Shop Rock 305
16 4.25 Can I'm So Green 959
17 4.25 NEU! Negativland 598
18 4.25 NEU! Für immer (Forever) 187
19 4.24 Faust Krautrock 431
20 4.21 Can Spoon 938
21 4.21 Faust Giggy Smile / Picnic on a Frozen River 406
22 4.16 NEU! Seeland 415
23 4.15 Amon Düül II Eye-Shaking King 290
24 4.14 NEU! Hero 418
25 4.12 Faust Kanaan 181
26 4.11 Can Spray 1066
27 4.11 Amon Düül II Archangels Thunderbird 300
28 4.11 Can Pinch 953
29 4.11 Faust Sleepwalker's Timeless Bridge 80
30 4.1 Amon Düül II Yeti (Improvisation) 285

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Appreciate the effort you made to create this list. That said, it's no surprise most of the entries are from dinosaur prog bands and modern prog bands are absent. The entries provided seem to be the most commercial choices, not ones I would pick.

I wish there was a way to generate an esoteric playlist of less obvious choices as voted by users with more experience listening to bands' catalogue. But then who am I to say that increased exposure to, say, King Crimson's music causes one to abandon liking Epitaph in favour of Fracture? Still, a kind of music elitist/snob-driven list would be exciting, with the exact mechanics of getting users to partake being troublesome. 

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There's probably over 200 songs on that list that I love, so no "complaints" (and what use is there to complain about statistics anyway...). I'm guessing without checking with PA's top 250 albums, there would be more "post-rock" - mainly from Talk Talk, GY!BE, Swans and maybe Tortoise here? Also it seems Progressive electronic is left out? Or isn't anything from Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Jean Michel Jarre... or Kraftwerk popular enough?  

Tangerine Dream's dicography was investigated fully for the list, resulting in a grand total of ONE track eligible with a sufficiently high rating. It's a shame, what can I say. The other progressive electronic artists either had no highly rated tracks or weren't on PA's top 250. 

I felt that adding any post-rock would be too intrusive to the intention of focusing on a classic prog-oriented list, for the same reasons I didn't add any metal era Opeth or BTBAM to it. 

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Close To The Edge at #9 and Suppers Ready at #14 tends to make this list seem less than awesome...

I agree. Plus other than Porcupine Tree and The Mars Volta there's hardly any modern prog on the list.

Perhaps we still need to wait a decade or two before the other new prog are considered classics? It might have something to do with the community not agreeing on what the good material is, as is possible with 70s material. Even Anglagard has low ratings on RYM and didn't make it to this list. 

One solution is to go to RYM and rate the modern prog masterpieces highly, as they deserve. 


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I agree. Plus other than Porcupine Tree and The Mars Volta there's hardly any modern prog on the list.
Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

Perhaps we still need to wait a decade or two before the other new prog are considered classics? It might have something to do with the community not agreeing on what the good material is, as is possible with 70s material. Even Anglagard has low ratings on RYM and didn't make it to this list. 

One solution is to go to RYM and rate the modern prog masterpieces highly, as they deserve. 
It will never happen to Anglagard or Wobbler etc... You've chosen to focus on classic prog and leave out the modern genres. + check with PA's top 250 albums. All fine by me but that's why modern prog is missing. This is a conservative music site. This "new" retro prog will never be as popular outside of PA as it is on PA. Not a chance. It's mostly here that "we" want prog to sound a specific way. Recent genres such as post rock (I don't know in regards to prog metal) is actually more popular outside of PA than here. It not strange at all this is a "dinosaur heavy" list.

I'm guessing Radiohead, Swans and GY!BE would all have songs among the top 20 or 40 here if you only judged by RYM's song rating alone. You already mentioned Dream Theater but maybe Black Midi, Tool... would be somewhere in the 300 + Slint, Fishmans...?
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:


I agree. Plus other than Porcupine Tree and The Mars Volta there's hardly any modern prog on the list.
Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

Perhaps we still need to wait a decade or two before the other new prog are considered classics? It might have something to do with the community not agreeing on what the good material is, as is possible with 70s material. Even Anglagard has low ratings on RYM and didn't make it to this list. 

One solution is to go to RYM and rate the modern prog masterpieces highly, as they deserve. 
It will never happen to Anglagard or Wobbler etc... You've chosen to focus on classic prog and leave out the modern genres. + check with PA's top 250 albums. All fine by me but that's why modern prog is missing. This is a conservative music site. This "new" retro prog will never be as popular outside of PA as it is on PA. Not a chance. It's mostly here that "we" want prog to sound a specific way. Recent genres such as post rock (I don't know in regards to prog metal) is actually more popular outside of PA than here. It not strange at all this is a "dinosaur heavy" list.

I'm guessing Radiohead, Swans and GY!BE would all have songs among the top 20 or 40 here if you only judged by RYM's song rating alone. You already mentioned Dream Theater but maybe Black Midi, Tool... would be somewhere in the 300 + Slint, Fishmans...?

Personally I'm perplexed that Anglagard doesn't have a single track with a rating average of at least 4.0. It is likely a good indication of the attitudes within the RYM community, which doesn't have very many people listening to any modern prog to cast positive votes. 

If I were to judge by RYM's ratings, none of the post-rock bands (or most of them; there should be occasional albums listed as both post-rock and prog) would make it, as post-rock is a separate category on the website. A lot of experimental music indie fans like can be vaguely related to prog, and it's difficult to devise a plan how to decide which of it is prog. I guess you could manually check every artist on belonging to PA, after which you still need to decide which tracks of theirs you will consider for inclusion on the list. Black Sabbath are on PA, so should the tracks from Paranoid fill the top of our list as well? 

Judging just by RYM's Top 40 albums of all time, you will find that for 21 of 40 of these albums, the artist is also featured on PA, though often as Prog-Related or similar. With RYM having a clear anti-commercial, pro-experimental attitude in music taste formation - something that they have in common with us - you can expect many of the artists on the charts to have "progressive" material in some sense of that word. 

So it's a challenging task, but if we want to narrow down 'experimental music' to certain tags, it can be done. 
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I love Krautrock, but not one of my favourite bands is listed amongst the Top 30 Krautrock albums. Confused

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I have been cataloging my CD collection on RYM for a while now (still far from being done) and have rated every album I own. I only recently noticed (about six months ago?) that you can rate individual tracks. Your post reminded me that I ought to start doing that though the task looks it could take me many years to finish (2000+ CDs, plus many re-listens are needed). Perhaps in doing so I could help a few more of the obscure acts reach that 40-vote threshold.

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Black Sabbath are on PA, so should the tracks from Paranoid fill the top of our list as well? 
My list will never be made, but: All I was replying to is that by your rules it's no surprise there's hardly any recent progressive rock on your list. Black Sabbath are in prog related here, which means not really counted as genuine prog - and excluded from PA's album chart. Swans, GY!BE and Sigur Ros (Radiohead, Black Midi...) are on PA and placed in "fully prog" subgenres. By PA's own rules, the former band would not be included and the latter bands would.
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I'm not that interested in such a list when you consider there are so many great prog tracks by artists that are not closely associated with the genre. 3 obvious ones are Bohemian Rapsody , Stairway to Heaven and Stargazer . I mention those because they were recently voted the top three by Planet Rock Radio listeners in their all time top 60 rock tracks. I would also be tempted to throw some Who in (Baba O'Riley and Won't Get Fooled again) as well as some classic Purple (Child In Time). Attempting to remove subjectivity doesn't always lead to interesting results sadly. 
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

Black Sabbath are on PA, so should the tracks from Paranoid fill the top of our list as well? 
My list will never be made, but: All I was replying to is that by your rules it's no surprise there's hardly any recent progressive rock on your list. Black Sabbath are in prog related here, which means not really counted as genuine prog - and excluded from PA's album chart. Swans, GY!BE and Sigur Ros (Radiohead, Black Midi...) are on PA and placed in "fully prog" subgenres. By PA's own rules, the former band would not be included and the latter bands would.

Sounds like a good way to draw the line - by leaving out the prog-related artists. I've just made the effort of checking which RYM artists fulfilling the criteria (4.1+ average/40+ votes) are also present on ProgArchives. My eyes hurt after finishing. OuchLOL

Here's the list I got:
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If anyone who actively uses both PA and RYM could have a look what else could be added, I'd be mighty grateful. I've only been an occasional lurker on PA in the last decade or so, and my RYM use is very specific and repetitive. 

91 unique artists, and that's not counting any Prog-Metal (which is a can of worms I'll open some other time). The List won't look the same with the prog classics being close to dethroned by the likes of Swans, NIN and GYBE!, but what can I say, it would be a fun list indeed. 

I'm considering filtering out the obvious artists like Pink Floyd and Genesis from the original list and combining what remains with the list above + maybe prog-metal? We'll see, but the resulting Spotify playlist could be exciting either way. 

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I'm not that interested in such a list when you consider there are so many great prog tracks by artists that are not closely associated with the genre. 3 obvious ones are Bohemian Rapsody , Stairway to Heaven and Stargazer . I mention those because they were recently voted the top three by Planet Rock Radio listeners in their all time top 60 rock tracks. I would also be tempted to throw some Who in (Baba O'Riley and Won't Get Fooled again) as well as some classic Purple (Child In Time). Attempting to remove subjectivity doesn't always lead to interesting results sadly. 

I did make some arbitrary choices in the process of making the list. I suppose there are multiple ways of making things more fun; some ideas in the first post of this message, based on earlier exchange with the other users, offers some potential ways. 
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

Black Sabbath are on PA, so should the tracks from Paranoid fill the top of our list as well? 
My list will never be made, but: All I was replying to is that by your rules it's no surprise there's hardly any recent progressive rock on your list. Black Sabbath are in prog related here, which means not really counted as genuine prog - and excluded from PA's album chart. Swans, GY!BE and Sigur Ros (Radiohead, Black Midi...) are on PA and placed in "fully prog" subgenres. By PA's own rules, the former band would not be included and the latter bands would.

I’m replying to this, rather than the reply to it, because (Trickster F.) you seem to be completely missing the point over and over again. You express surprise over something that is not surprising at all given how you’ve created your list, and what you’ve chosen to include and, more importantly, what you’ve chosen to leave out, when it comes to modern prog.

Retro prog bands like Änglagård and Wobbler are incredibly niche, because they are catering to a very specific audience that longs for a very specific sound from long ago. But those sound being made long ago were popular music. Yes, Tull, Floyd, etc. we’re well known and well liked bands, with huge mainstream appeal. Their equivalents in modern times are not the Änglagårds and Wobblers. Not even the Porcupine Trees! Perhaps The Mars Volta. But the real equivalents are the Opeths and Tools. Regardless of whether or not you consider them prog, they are the closest you come. A huge number of modern day King Crimson fans were introduced to the band by Tool. Tool is a gateway band to prog. Opeth is the same, believe it or not - and yes, I’m talking about the Opeth before they lost their growls!

black midi are probably one of the most popular bands presently in PA. And if there have not been highly rated Radiohead songs on RYM, I’ll be very surprised. (And that’s without mentioning the other bands quoted above.) Starting from the bottom end of PA’s top 250 of all time, attempting to choose only more well-known/mainstream, and not too extreme, metal bands that probably should be considered are:

Fate’s Warning
Opeth
Devin Townsend
Mastodon
Symphony X
Anathema
Dream Theater
Riverside
Tool
Queensryche

By all means, avoid the Deaths and Atheists and Voivods if you want. But discounting all prog metal is always going to give a skewed picture. Especially when what genre a band is listed under in PA is often fairly arbitrary, and sometimes quite inaccurate. You have Haken and The Mars Volta in your list, who are heavier than some of the bands listed under the prog metal genres in PA! 

I don’t like every metal band I listed above, but it seems odd to not include them, and then claim to be surprised by how little modern prog appears in your list. It quite possibly doesn’t appear, because you never included it, I mean, you mention Nine Inch Nails, and for sure I would include them if I were making a list of important and influential modern prog bands and artists.

Also, did you include Kate Bush? I guess it is possible she doesn’t have any songs that are rated highly enough on RYM to meet your criteria, but I would have thought she might have managed at least one of two? She is in the PA top 250.

That said, I have absolutely no issue with your list - or any list. There is never going to be a perfect list. You explained your criteria, and your list shows that which met it. The only reason I’m posting is because you still don’t seem to get why it’s not surprising that modern prog doesn’t really appear in your poll. You have pretty much ignored most of the modern prog likely to meet your criteria, choosing instead to focus on bands unlikely to have enough appeal outside then niche prog audience. Retro prog is great for fans of the original prog sound, but it’s not the modern equivalent of the original prog sound.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

Black Sabbath are on PA, so should the tracks from Paranoid fill the top of our list as well? 
My list will never be made, but: All I was replying to is that by your rules it's no surprise there's hardly any recent progressive rock on your list. Black Sabbath are in prog related here, which means not really counted as genuine prog - and excluded from PA's album chart. Swans, GY!BE and Sigur Ros (Radiohead, Black Midi...) are on PA and placed in "fully prog" subgenres. By PA's own rules, the former band would not be included and the latter bands would.


I’m replying to this, rather than the reply to it, because (Trickster F.) you seem to be completely missing the point over and over again. You express surprise over something that is not surprising at all given how you’ve created your list, and what you’ve chosen to include and, more importantly, what you’ve chosen to leave out, when it comes to modern prog.

Retro prog bands like Änglagård and Wobbler are incredibly niche, because they are catering to a very specific audience that longs for a very specific sound from long ago. But those sound being made long ago were popular music. Yes, Tull, Floyd, etc. we’re well known and well liked bands, with huge mainstream appeal. Their equivalents in modern times are not the Änglagårds and Wobblers. Not even the Porcupine Trees! Perhaps The Mars Volta. But the real equivalents are the Opeths and Tools. Regardless of whether or not you consider them prog, they are the closest you come. A huge number of modern day King Crimson fans were introduced to the band by Tool. Tool is a gateway band to prog. Opeth is the same, believe it or not - and yes, I’m talking about the Opeth before they lost their growls!

black midi are probably one of the most popular bands presently in PA. And if there have not been highly rated Radiohead songs on RYM, I’ll be very surprised. (And that’s without mentioning the other bands quoted above.) Starting from the bottom end of PA’s top 250 of all time, attempting to choose only more well-known/mainstream, and not too extreme, metal bands that probably should be considered are:

Fate’s Warning
Opeth
Devin Townsend
Mastodon
Symphony X
Anathema
Dream Theater
Riverside
Tool
Queensryche

By all means, avoid the Deaths and Atheists and Voivods if you want. But discounting all prog metal is always going to give a skewed picture. Especially when what genre a band is listed under in PA is often fairly arbitrary, and sometimes quite inaccurate. You have Haken and The Mars Volta in your list, who are heavier than some of the bands listed under the prog metal genres in PA! 

I don’t like every metal band I listed above, but it seems odd to not include them, and then claim to be surprised by how little modern prog appears in your list. It quite possibly doesn’t appear, because you never included it, I mean, you mention Nine Inch Nails, and for sure I would include them if I were making a list of important and influential modern prog bands and artists.

Also, did you include Kate Bush? I guess it is possible she doesn’t have any songs that are rated highly enough on RYM to meet your criteria, but I would have thought she might have managed at least one of two? She is in the PA top 250.

That said, I have absolutely no issue with your list - or any list. There is never going to be a perfect list. You explained your criteria, and your list shows that which met it. The only reason I’m posting is because you still don’t seem to get why it’s not surprising that modern prog doesn’t really appear in your poll. You have pretty much ignored most of the modern prog likely to meet your criteria, choosing instead to focus on bands unlikely to have enough appeal outside then niche prog audience. Retro prog is great for fans of the original prog sound, but it’s not the modern equivalent of the original prog sound.




I didn't express surprise anywhere, I don't think. I might have expected specific bands to have higher ratings.

RYM has a lot of appreciation for niche music scenes; you could say it's THE community for them to succeed. Anglagard may not be getting people into prog, but they are a quality, to me tasteful, take on the style that has existed for a long enough time to have the classic status.

Black midi are popular indeed, but not among our members, judging by the rating number. I'll be sure to include them in the broader list when it is made. Same goes for Kate Bush and the other 90+ artists I linked to in a post above.

Not a hater of prog metal at all; used to be part of the PM team on PA back in 2006 in fact. The goal of the list was to find another, this time numerical, comparison of key tracks by the prog greats, which was accomplished successfully. I do intend to tackle the prog metal genre next, once I decide what to include in it. Going by what is included in PA seems reasonable enough.
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