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Yes or no.
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Four votes in favour of escalation of this proxy war? ShockedConfused
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As if this entire tragedy can be dealt with in such a simplistic manner.

I despair, and will not give anyone the pleasure of receiving my vote for any option.
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Four votes in favour of escalation of this proxy war? ShockedConfused

It would not be a proxy war, if NATO were involved. And I think a lot of people have very little problem with there being an escalation to full on war, and are frustrated and angry by NATO’s reluctance to get involved.
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Probably no.

Although it may be useful if the US started saying what it will do, rather than simply ruling things out. Russia appears to be suffering big losses in Ukraine, and while this is positive in the sense that Ukraine are standing their ground admirably, but I still can't see any off ramps for Putin, and as his losses increase, the danger of escalation is very real. Giving Ukraine NATO fighter jets is a another 'red line' for Russia.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

As if this entire tragedy can be dealt with in such a simplistic manner.

I despair, and will not give anyone the pleasure of receiving my vote for any option.
Your opinions always carries great weight with me Laz and, as always, are respected. I don't think this measure will do any good at all and will temporarily postpone the inevitable, at this point. What bothers me is the US\NATO reluctance to give Ukraine this type of military aid as the "optics" look bad, and will be viewed as escalating tensions with Russia after giving the Ukrainian government missiles, rockets and other "small" arms, as well as billions of dollars for defensive purposes. It's this type of posture I find ridiculous and typical of the West's dealings with the Russian bear.

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No, but the proxy war has already been happening even before Day 1.
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

No, but the proxy war has already been happening even before Day 1.
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NO!
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Yes! Yes! Yes!

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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

As if this entire tragedy can be dealt with in such a simplistic manner.

I despair, and will not give anyone the pleasure of receiving my vote for any option.

I agree....Clearly it's not that simple and my best answer is "it depends". But I side more with NO.....full on NATO war is not the answer.
It pains me to see how Ukraine is begging for help, sure the US and others have/will give millions of $$ in aide, and financially locking Russia out of the rest of the world is a slow process but it may be the best option right now to get Puttin to pull back.

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

As if this entire tragedy can be dealt with in such a simplistic manner.

I despair, and will not give anyone the pleasure of receiving my vote for any option.


I agree....Clearly it's not that simple and my best answer is "it depends". But I side more with NO.....full on NATO war is not the answer.
It pains me to see how Ukraine is begging for help, sure the US and others have/will give millions of $$ in aide, and financially locking Russia out of the rest of the world is a slow process but it may be the best option right now to get Puttin to pull back.

There is no perfect answer/solution to this nightmare.  
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

As if this entire tragedy can be dealt with in such a simplistic manner.

I despair, and will not give anyone the pleasure of receiving my vote for any option.


I agree....Clearly it's not that simple and my best answer is "it depends". But I side more with NO.....full on NATO war is not the answer.
It pains me to see how Ukraine is begging for help, sure the US and others have/will give millions of $$ in aide, and financially locking Russia out of the rest of the world is a slow process but it may be the best option right now to get Puttin to pull back.

There is no perfect answer/solution to this nightmare.  
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