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    Posted: January 16 2022 at 19:40
1 Nietzsche
2 Schopenhauer
3 Leibniz
4 Adorno
5 Hendrix
6 Disraeli

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Man With Hat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2022 at 13:36
despite life being a mistake, i do like that nietzsche quote 
Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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Music was my first love
And it will be my last
Music of the future
And music of the past
To live without my music
Would be impossible to do
In this world of troubles
My music pulls me through

- John Miles (1949-2021)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2022 at 15:46
I'll write my own opinion!

Music can't be expressed in words, it exists on a much deeper level than language can describe.
JD (1958- )


Edited by JD - January 17 2022 at 15:47
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2022 at 15:47
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Music can't be expressed in words it exists on a much deeper level than language can describe.

JD (1958- )

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My definition: "Music, as a general and personal concept, is the eternal reflection of evolution".
-Will I see you tonight?
-I never make plans that far ahead.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Heart of the Matter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2022 at 19:38
^ Thank you Phil, JD, Lewian, and my fellow countryman Mariano for sharing your thoughts, much appreciated.
I think music still can be suspected of being a particular kind of language: it shares the common matter of sound and time with the words, but its meaning seems to come from an entirely different source.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Heart of the Matter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2022 at 19:54
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:


Music was my first love
And it will be my last
Music of the future
And music of the past
To live without my music
Would be impossible to do
In this world of troubles
My music pulls me through

- John Miles (1949-2021)

Paul, this is so great, thank you man! I remember the precise moment I first heard the lines: a schoolmate played the LP for me, and looking at the cover I thought "what the h*ll is he doing with that shotgun on the shoulders?".

Edited by Heart of the Matter - January 18 2022 at 04:12
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Hi,

There are many forms of "poetry" in life, and music is but one of them!
Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Icarium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2022 at 00:18
"There is one aspect that akins music to snow, and that is, when it is prescent one can not avoid its impact on its surrounding but in one moment it is gone without any trace, in a flux moment both snow and music luls you into its place and the other moment it is gone".

When the snow is melted the landscape which were transformed by its presence is gone like a distant memory. Music is the only art form that is purely in the mind, painting, arcitecture and poetry have a physical presence, music is only telmporal.

I reccomend Hegels Aestetics in the power of music, though Hegel held poetry as the highest srt he also hell music in high regard as an art.

"If we are in a general way permitted to regard human activity in the realm of the beautiful as a liberation of the soul, as a release from constraint and restriction, in short to consider that art does actually alleviate the most overpowering and tragic catastrophes by means of the creations it offers to our contemplation and enjoyment, it is the art of music which conducts us to the final summit of that ascent to freedom."

Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, On the Arts: Selections from G.W.F. Hegel's Aesthetics or the Philosophy of Fine Art



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^ Thanks Pedro and Christoffer, there are so many sides to this thing called music that we need to help each other in order to have a chance and grasp even a bit of it.
There was in my country a band named Invisible after the fact that there is in music nothing for the eye.
I also remember roughly Heidegger saying that the partitures of Beethoven string quartets sleeping in the publishing house are just like potatoes piled up in a food store basement, they only become music when actually played and heard.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote BaldFriede Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2022 at 08:07
I voted "other". My quote is: " If music be the food of love, play on, give me excess of it that, surfeiting, the appetite may sicken and so die". This is spoken by Orsino in Shakespeare's "Twelfth Night"; he is lovesick and hopes that by overdosing on music his love will die.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Heart of the Matter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2022 at 15:13
^ Thanks for the poetry Friede. Music and love, music and dreams. Some people hear in dreams music that they can never recover. I read once that Keith Richards fell asleep with his tape recorder functioning, and when he played the tape later he heard his own voice humming an unknown riff that was the motivation for Satisfaction.
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Other: "Music is waste of time, but it's alright." Discordian proverb.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Icarium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2022 at 11:03
The most profound defender of the power of music as art in a philosophical side of the academia is Schopenhauer. Though Hegel is also quite important to read on the analysis of art and msuic in context to the other arts he included in the Aesthetics, arcitecture, sculpture, poetry, painting and music, futher devided these five into another category, and to make a good overview on the development of the idé on what art and aestetics are, Schopenhauer writing about music is very good to read.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Heart of the Matter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2022 at 16:46
^ Thanks Pekka and Christoffer, I guess that "wasting" time in music is a experience telling us that we are not (completely) programed yet, that we can do and feel other things.
Schopenhauer is a reading that I'm doing right now. I find very impressive not only the deep of his thinking, but also his ability to justify his points of view.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Hiram Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2022 at 07:38
Originally posted by Heart of the Matter Heart of the Matter wrote:

I guess that "wasting" time in music is a experience telling us that we are not (completely) programed yet, that we can do and feel other things.

That was well read. I salute you, sir! 

Actually, I came up with that proverb myself, but since I'm a Discordian pope, it makes it official fnord 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2022 at 04:31
Asmus Tietchens, from here:
https://www.psychedelicbabymag.com/2021/06/asmus-tietchens-interview-absolute-music.html
Quote Your work is associated with “Absolute Music”. Would you like to talk a bit about your background and influences?

“Absolute Music” means that it contains no message except an esthetic one. “Absolute Music” is not connected with any political, spiritual, ideological or educational intention. The listener is totally free for his own impressions, feelings, possible pictures and thoughts when listening to “Absolute Music”. To me that is total freedom of perception. I am no teacher, no philosopher, no scientist – why should I intrude my thoughts on any other human being? I always try to let the music speak for itself. That should be enough.


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“Music has charms to soothe a savage breast.” That famous line was uttered by a character in William Congreve's 1697 play The Mourning Bride. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Heart of the Matter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2022 at 15:25
^^^ Thanks Pekka, Lewian, Doug. I didn't know Congreve's line. It reminds me a bit the Shakespeare's line quoted above by Friede, both emphasize the straight and soothing impact of music in the heart troubled by love or whatever.
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