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Marc Baum 
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 Topic: Bring DEATH in the archives!
Posted: October 07 2005 at 17:10 |
It's time to get Death in the archives under Progressive Metal, at least for their three latest records.
Thoughts?
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"All you need to do is sit back, and acquire the taste." - GENTLE GIANT
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: October 07 2005 at 17:11 |
BRING DEATH TO PROG-METAL 
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Marc Baum
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Posted: October 07 2005 at 17:16 |
 maidenrulez wrote:
BRING DEATH TO PROG-METAL |
or that 
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 07 2005 at 17:19 |
It has been discussed and debated and argued over and blah blah blah.
I personally think they should be here,based on their albums from Human to their last album The Sound of Perseverance.After all,Control Denied is here.
But don't hold your breath.
RIP Chuck,some people here recognize your brilliance.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 07 2005 at 17:21 |
maidenrulez wrote:
BRING DEATH TO PROG-METAL |
What is it with you trying to basically bait prog metal fans today???????
That thread you created that Tony closed was a blatant attempt at baiting people into an argument.
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Marc Baum
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Posted: October 07 2005 at 17:32 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
BRING DEATH TO PROG-METAL |
What is it with you trying to basically bait prog metal fans today???????
That thread you created that Tony closed was a blatant attempt at baiting people into an argument.
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Cool down man, there always will be ignorants, just do a big smile on them brother.
By the way, R.I.P. Chuck!
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: October 07 2005 at 18:04 |
Marc Baum wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
BRING DEATH TO PROG-METAL |
What is it with you trying to basically bait prog metal fans today???????
That thread you created that Tony closed was a blatant attempt at baiting people into an argument.
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Cool down man, there always will be ignorants, just do a big smile on them brother.
By the way, R.I.P. Chuck!
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hah i like some prog metal bands like dream theater, ayreon,opeth and tool and whatever but it was just a joke...sorry it was just to tempting 
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goose
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Posted: October 07 2005 at 20:49 |
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Bloody good but I wouldn't put them on the archives myself (not that I have the choice to anyway, of course!)
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: October 08 2005 at 12:35 |
Nice to see that some collabs too see the prog elements of DEATH. I think they are just too aggressive and modern to fit the big picture. I still wouldn't do the I-must-leave sabre dance for them! 
edit: Critical spelling errors! 
Edited by Eetu Pellonpää
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Marc Baum
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Posted: October 08 2005 at 12:51 |
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I think Death contains many progressive elements, specially on "Human", "Individual Thought Patterns", "Symbolic" and "The Sound Of Perseverance". The whole idea of a combination between progressive rock and death metal came long before Opeth with Death and their "Human" record, but you can't really compare these two bands, Death is more Death Metal than Opeth though, but not much less progressive IMO. I only ask myself: If there are bands like Brainstorm or Rhapsody in the archives, why not Death?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 08 2005 at 13:18 |
Marc Baum wrote:
I think Death contains many progressive elements, specially on "Human", "Individual Thought Patterns", "Symbolic" and "The Sound Of Perseverance". The whole idea of a combination between progressive rock and death metal came long before Opeth with Death and their "Human" record, but you can't really compare these two bands, Death is more Death Metal than Opeth though, but not much less progressive IMO. I only ask myself: If there are bands like Brainstorm or Rhapsody in the archives, why not Death? |
Rhapsody are Symphonic Metal ... Brainstorm are here by accident. They should be removed, but no one seems to care.
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Marc Baum
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Posted: October 08 2005 at 13:33 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Marc Baum wrote:
I think Death contains many progressive elements, specially on "Human", "Individual Thought Patterns", "Symbolic" and "The Sound Of Perseverance". The whole idea of a combination between progressive rock and death metal came long before Opeth with Death and their "Human" record, but you can't really compare these two bands, Death is more Death Metal than Opeth though, but not much less progressive IMO. I only ask myself: If there are bands like Brainstorm or Rhapsody in the archives, why not Death? |
Rhapsody are Symphonic Metal ... Brainstorm are here by accident. They should be removed, but no one seems to care.
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I really like Brainstorm, but I agree: Remove them and add Death! They are at least 67 % more prog-compatible! They are even more prog than Rhapsody and Brainstorm together!
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Bryan
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Posted: October 08 2005 at 14:03 |
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I'm preparing to submit Death for consideration by our band additions
pannel. They should be under consideration shortly. Keep
your fingers crossed.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 08 2005 at 14:17 |
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Certif1ed
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Posted: October 08 2005 at 14:29 |
Death defined Death Metal with "Scream Bloody Gore" (a fantastic album), and have certainly progressed a little with "Sound of Perseverence" - but it's what I would consider Technical metal rather than progressive metal.
I don't think they add anything to Prog Archives except more metal. The playing and composition standards are average.
That's not to say I don't like it, it's just nothing new or progressive except for the band themselves.
Cradle of Filth are far more progressive in sound, style, arrangement and instrumentation - especially vocally - and I know of at least one collaborator who is against their inclusion.
So I disagree totally with Death.
Great band though 
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 08 2005 at 14:36 |
We all are different. I like Cradle of Filth, but would not add them. I'd like to see Blind Guardian get added, as well as Tom Waits, Muse, Marty Friedman, Tony MacAlpine, ... Death have little priority for me, because they're not melodic enough for my taste. I can see why they're considered to be prog though and will support their inclusion.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: October 08 2005 at 15:31 |
Why are Death considered prog, Mike? Because they do "technical" stuff?
It's not about liking a band, it's whether, in fact, they are progressive or not.
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Gentle Ronnie
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Posted: October 08 2005 at 15:40 |
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Death is the best example of progemetal done the best way possible, I don't see how they should not be added.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: October 08 2005 at 16:06 |
But how are they progressive? I've heard "Sound of Perseverence", and it's not very progressive at all, now, is it? Let's be honest here.
Just saying "They Are" is not a very convincing argument.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 08 2005 at 16:09 |
Certif1ed wrote:
But how are they progressive? I've heard "Sound of Perseverence", and it's not very progressive at all, now, is it? Let's be honest here.
Just saying "They Are" is not a very convincing argument.
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No offense, but why should I bother to even try to explain my reasons to you? I mean, you don't think that Dream Theater are prog, they're not even metal for you. There is no basis for a meaningful conversation.
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