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    Posted: July 21 2004 at 02:39

I think they should be included because they were one of the original synth pioneers in the seventies and were seen by many as being 'progressive'.Maybe they went a bit too New Age after 1986 when I have to admit to finding just about everything they did after that date a bit tedious but nevertheless they should be considered I feel.

Perhaps there could be a partial discography ie 1970-1983 (encompassing the Virgin years up to and including 'Hyperborea'). That would be my suggestion.Anyone agree?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2004 at 05:04
Big TD fan in my psilly days (& nights) Wink. Klause Schults too , "Moondawn" being one of my all time mushy faves. Include 'em, I say! Ashra too. Have you heard "New Age Of Earth"? Gottsching at his best, those Germans know a thing or two about sequenced repetition as a trance enducing medium. Roll on Autumn.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2004 at 07:13

Yes. As I mentioned in richardh's thread in the Featured CD forum, I'd very much like to see Tangerine Dream in the ProgArchives database.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2004 at 07:24
completely by the way, maybe Go-Betweens should be in the archive as well? If there's any progressive pop group out there, they're the one, or at least I can't think of any other pop bands writing songs in 11/4, cutting meaures here, prolonging them there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2004 at 09:57

Their very first album is not "synthetic", it's rather experimental, acid, very dark.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2004 at 10:03
if Tangerine Dream is in, does that mean Jarre and Kraftwerk are in too?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2004 at 10:33

Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

if Tangerine Dream is in, does that mean Jarre and Kraftwerk are in too?

One thing at a time, matey....

 

TD all the way.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2004 at 11:00

The first kraftwerk is experimental too, not pure synthe, in the vein of the first

Tangerine dream...

I prefer Klaus shultze than the following kratfwerk

jM Jarre is too commercial and repetitive to be real prog.

 

IF you like synthe, rather try Richard Pinhas/Chronolyze or Edgar Froese/Aqua

or even Tim Blake...

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2004 at 11:02
did you really recommend Aqua?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2004 at 14:41

Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

did you really recommend Aqua?
 

Quite, James. Aqua is very much a sum of its parts, ie. 3-2=1.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2004 at 15:41

Looks like the "ayes" have it.

I'd suggest the whole catalogue for a band be listed though, not just a partial one. Otherwise, we'd have endless debates about which of a band's output was prog enough for the site, and which wasn't. There's enough of that with bands, let alone individual albums!

Not sure if there's some confusion on the Aqua reference. I'm assuming it refers to the name of Froese's album, not a suggestion that the makers of "Barbie doll" be listed on the site!LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2004 at 15:52

One of the reasons I suggested a partial discography is that there are so many TD albums (well over 50). I see no reason why it shouldn't be just the 'Virgin years' (and before).A short explanation preceding would suffice.It does seem a crying shame to completely exclude them because their later albums are not up to scratch.

BTW I would also like to see something similar for Vangelis covering the RCA years (1975-1978).As instrumental artists tend to more prolific in quantity (but not always quality) this seems a sensible way to approach it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2004 at 15:54

Yeah, why not? There are less 'progressive' bands listed here. Anything TD released in the seventies is recommended to those who like their music MIND-BENDING. Well, I like 'em...

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2004 at 16:16

 

YES!!... and I think Kraftwerk and Jarre belong in here, too, though not being "straight" prog rock, their repertoire is pretty much coherente with teh atittude and style of many other "more clearly" prog bands with electronic tendencies 

Jarre is into conceptually ambitious musical works, and Kraftwerk incarnate one peculiar side of the krautrock thing, very different from Ash Ra Tempel and Agitation Free (just to put 2 examples), but still in the context of rock and pop, they broke boundaries and used high-level intelligence when creating music. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2004 at 17:24

You mean TD aren't in the archives already...???

I don't think Jarre should be here, as his music is too poppy generally - if we allow Jarre, then we'll be letting in the likes of Sky (not a bad band at all, but not really prog!).

Kraftwerk are definite possibilities tho - and Tim Blake's two solo efforts are surely missing.

Talking of solo efforts, Pete Bardens appears to be absent as well.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2004 at 18:52

Yes, TD, Kraftwerk and... why not Walter/Wendy Carlos? The real synth pioneer (Switched-On Bach I & II).

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2004 at 19:54
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

 if we allow Jarre, then we'll be letting in the likes of Sky (not a bad band at all, but not really prog!).

 

I'm with you on Jarre, ('though I loved "Zoolookology" (sp?) when it came out, just before we all got fairlited to death.) but I must say a word in the defence of Sky's proggyness. They were the first band I ever saw live (aged 12) and at the time I had no problem calling them progressive, indeed, at the time they were the only new band with which myself and my fellow young prog mates (all 4 of them) could identify. I listened to "Sky II" last week and, frankly, if it's not prog then I don't know what criteria it fails on! Classical arrangements, Far Eastern melodies, dainty folk like dances, traditional, classical, and self penned music played on a mix of antiquated and contempary instruments, by highly trained musicians. Prog!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2004 at 22:35

hehe, "Barbie Doll" indeed

I was just wondering if Froese was being nominated for the site...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2004 at 23:01

 

Fortunately (and justly), Sky are in the Archives, and so are Kayak, The Alan parsons Project,... what's the problem if Sky's sound is at times poppy? There's lots of tunes by them that go for sophisticated jazz pop, moder narrangements of classica lcompositions, etehrea lsymphonic stuff, even some dissonant stuff, too (how poppy can a drum-xylophone-vibes-marimba-tympani solo number be?). The poppy stuff is plain minority in their general repetoire.

I find many Jarre's compositions more catchy than poppy. Even the two tracks he plays with his fellow synthetist ensmeble and the beijing Symphony Orchestra in 'The Concerts in China'... is it poppy? It couldn't be poppy if it tried...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2004 at 04:45

Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

did you really recommend Aqua?

 

Oh yes that's a great album

very cold but much more progressive than JM Jarre or the second period of

Kraftwerk

You can also try "departure from the northern wasteland" from Mikaźl Hoenig (1978), but it's less complex than "Aqua."

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