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For me, its all about seeing the family, even the ones I don't like, that makes the holidays for me. The crass commercialism always irks me, especially with stories of Black Friday store riots and the like. Not very good for showing good will toward men, etc. How do other atheists or agnostics view the season's holidays? Like 'em or don't give a toss?
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I am not a holiday person, I don't really practice any of the religions that these are about.  When my son was growing up, we did both my "tradition," that of more standard Christmas doings and also his father's, Chanukkah, so I dubbed the whole thing, "Chronica."  I did enjoy the tree and the Menorah both and continued that once his father and I split up.  I taught my son that it was more important to be good to one another all year, rather than lavish gifts on everyone.  On our own, we pooled the money we had for gifts and gave to three charities, a human one, an animal one and an earth one and requested that others do so rather than give us gifts.   

That being said, I usually, when on my own, just get a nice pine bough, set on the table, put a candle in the center and a few favourite ornaments, that my son made and the "nothing says Christmas more than a handmade red rooster made in China," ornament nestled in the bough.  I still give to the three sorts of charities as well.  And I do enjoy what I think of as "real," Christmas music, like early music and some of the Loreena McKennit winter CD's and Carol Tatum's "Sanctus," recording.  I really dislike the commercial greed that has taken over and pretty much refuse to partake in it now that I am on my own again, although my late husband loved to give gifts, have a tree and a feast, and we did it for his sake when he was here.  

For New Year's I still put out a new penny for everyone in my immediate family, closest friends and pets for the Faeries to bless overnight, per my grandmother's tradition.  


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I'm an atheist and I agree with Snicolette. I used to love Christmas at home with my parents growing up, just like any kid, way back when my family and all of our dogs were still alive, but now, with all my family and dogs gone, I just spend Christmas alone at home. I don't like the rampant commercialism that's taken over Christmas, so I don't buy presents and I don't get involved in any Christmas festivities at all. I just treat Christmas Day as any other regular day. I'm looking forward to the New Year though, to see how far I can get through the year this time without breaking my New Year's Resolution again. Smile
 
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Its time off work and time with family, its a pain to have all media swamped with fake festive nonsense but I just ignore it as much as possible. Crass commercial rubbish. 
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I'm not religious. I consider myself an agnostic but I do like the holidays. Seeing family, cooking , gifts, some of the ritual (tree , decorating...) watching dumb holiday movies. My daughter has taken over the duty of holiday czar so it's fun to watch her run the house for a month while wearing her Santa hat! 
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Like I imagine many people in the UK at least who ever ticked the appropriate "chrstian" religion box [catholic/CofE/baptist/evangelicalist etc.,] on any official form, when I was a christian the xmas holidays we were religious for about 30 minutes during midnight mass at the local church on christmas eve (whilst most of the congregation were four-sheets to the wind) and then the remaining two days any thought of religion was cast to the wind. Anyone who ever claims that xmas is a religious holiday in England was never paying attention (can't speak for Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland so I won't). When I finally realised that my lack of any form of faith was slightly stronger than casual apathy that half hour of token worship had fallen by the wayside many years earlier.

During the brief period when I dabbled in (well, let's be honest, played at) the wiccan religion I can to appreciate just how much of the chrisitian christmas was of pagan origin. Christians appropriated Yule as the major christian celebration because it was a widespread festival across Europe. Remove all the pagan trappings from the christian holiday and all you're left with is a nativity play and a few hours of singing carols in a cold and draughty church ~ no one is going to supplant a mighty winter feast with that. The bit we really like, the bit we actually look forward to and the bit we revel in, is the huge pagan bit.

Therefore it bemuses me when christian complain about the holidays lacking the true meaning of christmas and throw up their arms in horror at any attempts to de-christianise the yuletide celebrations that were never theirs in the first place.

So, all that aside, how do I view christmas? (let's call a spade a spade - irrespective of your religious beliefs you are allowed to call it christmas, or saturnalia, or yule, or lohri, or koliada without causing offence or secretly breaking some atheistic code) ... exactly the same way as every one else - overfed and mostly pickled as a parrot. Just without the shallow 'christian' sentiments that evaporate long before the last of the christmas dinner is scraped into the recycling bin. Probably.


A bit like this with any luck:



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It's demanding and stressful. The days are full with no time to relax. I get through it by listening to this. We made this (Rogers Yueltide Review) in my basement in the late 70's. I'm playing keys. Some songs were played on Dr. Demento's Christmas show. 

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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Like I imagine many people in the UK at least who ever ticked the appropriate "chrstian" religion box [catholic/CofE/baptist/evangelicalist etc.,] on any official form, when I was a christian the xmas holidays we were religious for about 30 minutes during midnight mass at the local church on christmas eve (whilst most of the congregation were four-sheets to the wind) and then the remaining two days any thought of religion was cast to the wind. Anyone who ever claims that xmas is a religious holiday in England was never paying attention (can't speak for Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland so I won't). When I finally realised that my lack of any form of faith was slightly stronger than casual apathy that half hour of token worship had fallen by the wayside many years earlier.

During the brief period when I dabbled in (well, let's be honest, played at) the wiccan religion I can to appreciate just how much of the chrisitian christmas was of pagan origin. Christians appropriated Yule as the major christian celebration because it was a widespread festival across Europe. Remove all the pagan trappings from the christian holiday and all you're left with is a nativity play and a few hours of singing carols in a cold and draughty church ~ no one is going to supplant a mighty winter feast with that. The bit we really like, the bit we actually look forward to and the bit we revel in, is the huge pagan bit.

Therefore it bemuses me when christian complain about the holidays lacking the true meaning of christmas and throw up their arms in horror at any attempts to de-christianise the yuletide celebrations that were never theirs in the first place.

So, all that aside, how do I view christmas? (let's call a spade a spade - irrespective of your religious beliefs you are allowed to call it christmas, or saturnalia, or yule, or lohri, or koliada without causing offence or secretly breaking some atheistic code) ... exactly the same way as every one else - overfed and mostly pickled as a parrot. Just without the shallow 'christian' sentiments that evaporate long before the last of the christmas dinner is scraped into the recycling bin. Probably.


A bit like this with any luck:

  With you on the Christian/Wiccan/Pagan thing.  It's why I like the pine bough and candles.  A bit of the actual original traditions.
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If I thought drinking was prudent at this time, then I'd be heavily into the holiday spirits.

My lack of religion and theism doesn't mean that I can't appreciate aspects of the holidays. Christmas especially is quite stressful, but I have enjoyed a secular Christmases and Easters. I might even go to church as they have some very good concerts at this time of year.
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I see the holidays as a time to take time off to see family and friends. When my son was young, I enjoyed the gift giving, bought into the commercialism, holiday cookies, and the Christmas specials on TV. I guess I still enjoy Rudolph, Frosty, Charlie Brown, etc.

I wasn't brought up with religion and never acquired it. 
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

It's demanding and stressful. The days are full with no time to relax. I get through it by listening to this. We made this (Rogers Yueltide Review) in my basement in the late 70's. I'm playing keys. Some songs were played on Dr. Demento's Christmas show. 

There are 15 more if anyone is interested.


  That was fun!  And I love Dr Demento.  
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I'm hugely fortunate to have my parents still with me (paps going 90 next year) so I happily continue to keep playing the child role - for some time now and too late to change, I'm afraid: giving/receiving gifts, stuffing two full days of family meals, the larger family all under one roof,  once a year together again with my three children at the same time.
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What I miss regarding the good ol' pagan Yule is trussing up a sacrifice, bashing him in the skull with a ceremonial club, then tossing the body in a bog to appease whatever deity is the god-of-the-moment. 

From the perspective of present day Christmas, I like the days off, I like the excuse of having extended family around (long enough so I can appreciate them, but not long enough so that I recall why I don't see them the rest of the year), and I like to eat. Well-considered presents are also welcomed.


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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

If I thought drinking was prudent at this time, then I'd be heavily into the holiday spirits.

My lack of religion and theism doesn't mean that I can't appreciate aspects of the holidays. Christmas especially is quite stressful, but I have enjoyed a secular Christmases and Easters. I might even go to church as they have some very good concerts at this time of year.
 
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yes, Xmas is commercialized and it can definitely be stressful, and yes, I’m not religious at all, but I think it’s wonderful as holidays go. I believe that people are nicer this time of the year. Plus the music! I have the Pet Shop Boys (“It Doesn’t Often Snow”) stuck in my head right now, and I’ve already played “Run with the Fox” six or seven times.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

What I miss regarding the good ol' pagan Yule is trussing up a sacrifice, bashing him in the skull with a ceremonial club, then tossing the body in a bog to appease whatever deity is the god-of-the-moment. 
A bog isn't just for christmas.
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I don't like Christmas and have not really enjoyed it since my father died when I was 16. The holiday season means little to me, but a welcome time off work. We get the best part of two weeks off, so it's a chance for numerous lie ins and taking it easy.

I don't have any family so that aspect of it is fairly meaningless to me. We spend time with my partners family, and I've nothing against them, but I would rather it just be me and my partner and some friends every now and then. The concept of family is not something I really understand or appreciate as I don't have siblings or children and my parents are dead.
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Well, as an atheist living in a (formerly, I hope) christian world, I view the end of year holidays vacations as an unwanted bonus, but I do and will take advantage of the days off, if only cos I deserve them. After all, there is no way religious/credulous people should get days off for their pagan beliefs; while more intelligent atheists wouldn't get those days, just for being smarter.Evil Smile
This is valid for Easter-related vacation days, as well.
BTW, if I had religious grand parents, my atheist parents did organize the X-mas crap when we were kids, mainly not to antagonize their own parents uselessly.
 
Soooooo, how do i deal with the "spirit", you ask??Shocked
 
Well from the Helloween days the "feast season" (as called in continental Europe) is filled with pagan and non-pagan commercial events, starting the 31st of October.
From some weird theory, we also get the kids on the streets to plea for candy. Some stupid intelligentsia justified importing this event by finding a link to keltic beliefs.
Of course, the next day, there is the "all-saints" day on 01/11 , then on the 2nd is the day of the dead (which is maybe less religious than the all-saints bullcrap).Dead
On Nov 11th, most of us get the Armistice day (end of WW1), but like all the vacations days, everyone is busy trying to find open stores to spend their money. A bit newer, is the black friday (usually lenghtened to the whole w-e) ignominous bullcrap that comes after the supposedly pure "Thanksgiving" idiocy - at least here, we didn't shamelessly adopt that TG crap. Dead
Onwards to Dec 6th, is St Nicky day (this is the ancestor of santa claus), a firmly rooted (in France, Belgium Southern Holland and Western Germany) tradition where kids get their toys before adults gets theirs later in the month. Of course X-mas and EOY festivities are probably the most insufferable of them all
 
I hate dumb & mindless consumerism, soooo from october onwards, I tend to avoid greater surface stores and the crap they sell - some starty selling X-mas decorations as early as end of September.  
As far as medias are concerned, I shun totally TV (and its stupid x-mas programmations) in December, but then again, I'm not a regular/avid TV watcher. Even news programme, I don't watch it live - using podcasts so I can skip the x-mas bullcrap that abound in the news bulletins.
 
Most of these vacations  (the ones mentioned above) are spent resting, gardening or repairing stuff around the house and spending evening with the buddies & friends, but making sure this has nothing to do with pagan feasts.
I do use the 5 or 6 days between the 25 and 1st  to visit close family, though.


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What I generally do over the festive season (as rightly Hugues called it), is cook. 

Without boring everyone with the details, this year my enthusiasm for cooking waned a lot so I'm hoping that with three whole glorious weeks off work I'll rekindle my love of cooking and baking by preparing a selection of delicious meals for my wife and daughter. 

While not quite chestnuts roasting around an open fire, I've already discovered that walnuts boiled for 5 minutes in sugar syrup and then deep fried are exceptionally good as are cashews roasted in Masala spices.


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