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ReactioninG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 26 2017 Location: Massachusetts Status: Offline Points: 156 |
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I have always found Roger Waters singing voice to be incredibly powerful and moving. However, there is a time period of his career, about 1979-1984, give or take a few years, where he just seemed to suddenly reach a new level of singing prowess. I would recommend the live Wall album "Is There Anybody Out There?" The Earl's Court concerts in 80-81. Roger sounds like he has a larger range and fiercer vocal than earlier on in his career. This is also reflected on the albums of the time. I always found his singing on Final Cut to be perhaps an unrivaled success in terms of what he was trying to accomplish emotionally. I also would venture to say that ONE of the reasons that Roger Waters began singing on the majority of tracks from Animals-Final Cut could be that at least he thought he was the best singer in the group, particularly for the material he was writing. I personally think that. I absolutely WOULDN'T want more Gilmour on any of those three albums. Moreover, I would say that in these years Waters surpassed Gilmour for most Pink Floyd purposes, even if he didn't have a prettier voice. I wish he had rerecorded Have A Cigar with his own vocal! Anyone think I'm dead wrong and Gilmour's voice "going missing" was a big tragedy? Of course, then there's Rick, who I think was a good singer but not for PF material after Dark Side. I just don't see it. Some have lamented his absence as well.
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Tom Ozric ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15926 |
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I’m thinking The Final Cut / Pros & Cons Of Hitchhiking. The right amount of aggression/emotion for the concept/topic, and the music.
OR..........Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun. Oh, 20 milliseconds later, Its A Miracle (the best piece of music in Roger’s entire life........).......for me. Edited by Tom Ozric - June 30 2018 at 05:22 |
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ReactioninG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 26 2017 Location: Massachusetts Status: Offline Points: 156 |
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Appreciate the reference to It's a Miracle. Amused to Death is one heavy hitter after another. The title track usually makes me tear up. It's the kind of album he was building up to. And only Roger Waters could sing such songs convincingly.
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Tom Ozric ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15926 |
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Incidentally, Roger is the reason I picked up a bass in the first place way back in ‘86 (thanks to the Live In Pompeii video). Totally righteous.
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20436 |
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I've always thought of Waters as Floyd's best singer, TBH (yes including Syd) Though it seems that it's the tracks where Gilmour sings that get more airplay (except for Brick). I've found that Gilmour over-reaches himself much quicker than Waters does;despite probably having a wider range.
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20436 |
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I'll disagree with much of what you say in this paragraph. At one point, I guess Roger & Dave went the way Roger and Rick (Hodgson & Davies) went.Each sings their song, though Waters had Gilmour sing lead on a few of his tracks on The Wall and Let Dave sing Dogs (co-written). That would be reason #1 why David sang less, IMHO. On top of it, Dave's voice was best coupled with Wright doublinf (Echoes, Us & Them), and Wright wrote next t nothing from Animals onwards (both him & Dave having kept their better ideas for their respective solo albums) However, I think TFC would probably be much more popular with Floyd fans if Roger had convinced David to sing at least a couple more of tracks on it.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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This is one of those threads where I think we're not listening to the same music or the same singer. I definitely would put Gilmour above Waters, with Wright a close second to Gilmour. Come on, Waters doesn't sing, he talks.
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13238 |
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I agree. But I think what made Floyd great at their eight was the dichotomy between Waters' manic and Gilmour's mild voice. If you listen to the tone and timber of such songs as "Hey You", "Comfortably Numb" and "Dogs", the tenor of the song changes dramatically from one vocalist to the other and is an important aspect of the overall presentation. The duality is what made those songs interesting.
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13238 |
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Gilmour offers much more variation vocally. Waters tends to rave, and as Steve inferred, when he is trying to sing softly, it's much more spoken word rather than actual singing.
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Mortte ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 11 2016 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 5538 |
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Always loved Waters` screaming part in Careful with that axe. I think it´s really great there has been those three quite different vocalists in Floyd, love them all. Of course Syd was also great.
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AZF ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 17 2012 Location: Wirral Status: Offline Points: 1079 |
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I think The Pros And Cons Of Hitch-hiking was the last consistent Roger vocal work.
But here and there, "The Last Refugee" from his last album was the best vocal he'd done for some albums. Plus "Wait For Her". |
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Roger Waters has always been a lyricist rather than a vocalist. I think his peak was The Final Cut: his voice was already deteriorating at the time, but he could put a dose of venom in his singing which gave it some added value. Gilmour is the better vocalist and his voice is not affected by advancing age.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20671 |
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Gotta go with the Gilmour crowd here....much more pleasant voice. Waters' singing is perhaps my least favorite thing about Floyd. He's a fine lyricist but a very mediocre singer who as several have already pointed out tends to talk-sing his songs....though he does bring emotion to his words.
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I do love Waters singing, and I have never understood why he is so underrated. And he is one of the most emotional singers around. Though still I think I might give the edge to Gilmour, I think Waters singing was more distinctive and special. Yet, Floyd were at their best when they sang together the parts that worked better for each one.
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Walters v Gilmour Lennon v McCartney Gabriel v Collins DiAnno v Dickinson Apples v Oranges
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I don't think it makes sense to talk about them as better or worse singer. In the first place, Roger is a very unique and special singer. He does certain things in a way nobody else could, and where this makes sense he is a class on his own. But I can totally see how his singing can annoy people and it can annoy me, too. Dave is OK and pleasant and a much safer bet but by far not as interesting as a singer as Roger.
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Tom Ozric ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15926 |
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I don’t think the O.P. was asking Waters vs. Gilmour.......
![]() My understanding was Waters’ most effective and glowing vocal........ .......Chain Of Life perhaps ![]() |
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20436 |
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Not really related to this topic, but I was re-listening to Roger's latest album for the first time in six months, and it still sounds phenomenally good (even in the car) I can understand those that say that often Waters talks more than he sings, but you also have to keep in mind what he's singing about: it's usually not love sogs or getting drink & wasted lyrics ... Sooooo it's not like Waters can sing like Withney or Shakira about Trump being a nincompoop either. He's gotta sound angry or derisive for a minimum credibility, right? Since his texts are so important, he's bound to articulate more every word than gluing gooey-sickly love words. Furthermore, for Waters' naysayers, consider Leonard Cohen's singing and how many similitudes there is between their respective styles. Nobody ever criticizes LH for his singing.
Hodgson vs Davies
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