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    Posted: October 01 2015 at 23:20
Many members have been issued a collaborator status due to their contributions i.e. reviews and/or posting actions. This is well deserved. 
Besides all this, collaborators on PA should have the best interest when it comes to this site in mind,thus I suggest that there should be a method that all bands added on here to PA should thereafter have at least one review written by a collaborator. All collaborators should be in the running to be selected to write a review at any given time for the sake and benefit of this site.  This is not about egos or divas, it's about the best interest of P.A. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2015 at 23:31
As you stated some collabs were chosen because of their forum posts rather than reviews, some collaborators haven't ever written a review for this site. Reviewing albums for this site is something people do for enjoyment, turning it into a task and forcing people through random choosing can't be in the interest of PA.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2015 at 23:48
Originally posted by Sheavy Sheavy wrote:

As you stated some collabs were chosen because of their forum posts rather than reviews, some collaborators haven't ever written a review for this site. Reviewing albums for this site is something people do for enjoyment, turning it into a task and forcing people through random choosing can't be in the interest of PA.
Sheavy, I would think that any collaborator would be happy to assist the best they can to help to improve this site, also writing a review should come as second nature to them and you Wink mhwoaahhxx plus big hug Hug Moozik should be enjoyed and spreading/sharing your feelings should come natural too. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2015 at 23:55
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Sheavy Sheavy wrote:

As you stated some collabs were chosen because of their forum posts rather than reviews, some collaborators haven't ever written a review for this site. Reviewing albums for this site is something people do for enjoyment, turning it into a task and forcing people through random choosing can't be in the interest of PA.
Sheavy, I would think that any collaborator would be happy to assist the best they can to help to improve this site, also writing a review should come as second nature to them and you Wink mhwoaahhxx plus big hug Hug Moozik should be enjoyed and spreading/sharing your feelings should come natural too. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2015 at 23:57
Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Sheavy Sheavy wrote:

As you stated some collabs were chosen because of their forum posts rather than reviews, some collaborators haven't ever written a review for this site. Reviewing albums for this site is something people do for enjoyment, turning it into a task and forcing people through random choosing can't be in the interest of PA.
Sheavy, I would think that any collaborator would be happy to assist the best they can to help to improve this site, also writing a review should come as second nature to them and you Wink mhwoaahhxx plus big hug Hug Moozik should be enjoyed and spreading/sharing your feelings should come natural too. 
I've written one review.  I wish I had it in me to write more, but I don't.  Cry

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2015 at 00:18
The reality is always a little different once you're in it.   I remember years ago someone claiming it only takes "five minutes to add a band, so why the long wait?".   Then he became a collab and realized there was a lot more to it than the simple act of uploading the info-- the artist must be researched thoroughly; contacted if missing info is needed; a well-written bio must then be made; materials like photos, discogs, etc. must be obtained.   The whole process actually takes a total of several hours of concentrated work time.

It's the same with reviews (just multiplied many times because it's whole discographies and not just bands).   It's hard, real work to create a fluid, informative and competent write-up, especially if, as you point out, the good of the site is in mind.   And Sheavy's point is well taken: It is indeed true that not all collabs are comfortable with or even care much about writing a review.   They do their magic in other equally important ways--  the PA Gremlins !


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2015 at 00:33
Adding an artist isn't always that time consuming. I would typically use around 30 minutes for a one album artist from harvest gathering started until the artist was added. But for multiple album artists with a long career...Motorpsycho took me the better part of a day if I recall correctly...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2015 at 00:38
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

The reality is always a little different once you're in it.   I remember years ago someone claiming it only takes "five minutes to add a band, so why the long wait?".   Then he became a collab and realized there was a lot more to it than the simple act of uploading the info-- the artist must be researched thoroughly; contacted if missing info is needed; a well-written bio must then be made; materials like photos, discogs, etc. must be obtained.   The whole process actually takes a total of several hours of concentrated work time.

It's the same with reviews (just multiplied many times because it's whole discographies and not just bands).   It's hard, real work to create a fluid, informative and competent write-up, especially if, as you point out, the good of the site is in mind.   And Sheavy's point is well taken: It is indeed true that not all collabs are comfortable with or even care much about writing a review.   They do their magic in other , equally important ways--  the PA Gremlins !


Atavachron, awww Clap how could one possibly disagree with what you said! All true, ditto! I do feel tho' and am a bit annoyed for the disrespect towards the fellow collabs seem to have against their fellow brotherin and this site, life should be fun! I as an outsider can see and feel that we have way too much male testosterone here on sometimes we act too silly really. I have always been a popular girl at school etc not the prettiest but most liked i think is true, might be because I was a nice person too and liked everyone inc. felt the need to  defend the underdog even if it had nothing to do with me, what is right is right, no grey lines to me in that respect. Ouch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2015 at 01:02
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Adding an artist isn't always that time consuming. I would typically use around 30 minutes for a one album artist from harvest gathering started until the artist was added. But for multiple album artists with a long career...Motorpsycho took me the better part of a day if I recall correctly...

Olav, you make it sound so simple Wink but it's not I know for a fact that you do an extensive description of the artist or band which anyone equally would consider this alone a review really Big smile I like what you write a lot, you make it so much fun and nice for anyone to read meanwhile maintaining the interest of the new prospect listener or fan, you do this so effortlessly SmileHug
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2015 at 01:31
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

 I do feel tho' and am a bit annoyed for the disrespect towards the fellow collabs seem to have against their fellow brotherin 

Ah, perhaps that has more to do with some people preferring not to think before they comment rather than their collab/non collab status. Wink 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2015 at 01:35
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

 I do feel tho' and am a bit annoyed for the disrespect towards the fellow collabs seem to have against their fellow brotherin 

Ah, perhaps that has more to do with some people preferring not to think before they comment rather than their collab/non collab status. Wink 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2015 at 01:53
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Sheavy Sheavy wrote:

As you stated some collabs were chosen because of their forum posts rather than reviews, some collaborators haven't ever written a review for this site. Reviewing albums for this site is something people do for enjoyment, turning it into a task and forcing people through random choosing can't be in the interest of PA.
Sheavy, I would think that any collaborator would be happy to assist the best they can to help to improve this site, also writing a review should come as second nature to them and you Wink mhwoaahhxx plus big hug Hug Moozik should be enjoyed and spreading/sharing your feelings should come natural too. 

But second nature it simply isn't for everyone, some people are better at writing reviews than others. Being a collaborator does not mean that person is good at writing reviews (not to say that most do tend to be though imhoSmile), it just means they have knowledge in whatever particular genre they are part of and is willing to give spare time and that knowledge to this site.

It's not that any collab doesn't have PA's best interest in mind, some collaborators don't have the extra time to write reviews or the inclination to write them, which is perfectly fine. 

I currently don't have much inclination to write any reviews and in fact I'm not particularly proud of the few reviews I've written that I haven't deleted, and I've kept them mostly due to someone wanting me to keep a few of the ones I thought were decent. I've said multiple times that I'd get back into reviewing hoping that saying that would actually help get me to do it, but it has yet to do so.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2015 at 03:36
Originally posted by Sheavy Sheavy wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Sheavy Sheavy wrote:

As you stated some collabs were chosen because of their forum posts rather than reviews, some collaborators haven't ever written a review for this site. Reviewing albums for this site is something people do for enjoyment, turning it into a task and forcing people through random choosing can't be in the interest of PA.
Sheavy, I would think that any collaborator would be happy to assist the best they can to help to improve this site, also writing a review should come as second nature to them and you Wink mhwoaahhxx plus big hug Hug Moozik should be enjoyed and spreading/sharing your feelings should come natural too. 

But second nature it simply isn't for everyone, some people are better at writing reviews than others. Being a collaborator does not mean that person is good at writing reviews (not to say that most do tend to be though imhoSmile), it just means they have knowledge in whatever particular genre they are part of and is willing to give spare time and that knowledge to this site.

It's not that any collab doesn't have PA's best interest in mind, some collaborators don't have the extra time to write reviews or the inclination to write them, which is perfectly fine. 

I currently don't have much inclination to write any reviews and in fact I'm not particularly proud of the few reviews I've written that I haven't deleted, and I've kept them mostly due to someone wanting me to keep a few of the ones I thought were decent. I've said multiple times that I'd get back into reviewing hoping that saying that would actually help get me to do it, but it has yet to do so.

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Awww Sheavy, I understand what you say and you changed my mind too now. Where I was coming from is that sometimes collabs are focussed on the wrong things and if they atleast wrote more reviews they would understand better but as you said this is not necessary true too. I admit I am a nincompoop and at times speak out even when it does not concern me Smile mhwoaahhxxx more hugs to you Hug
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2015 at 04:35
We should start from the beginning, it takes more time to get votes on each bands, adding a new band with one or two albums doesn't take much time like Olav said, i can only imagine how much time it could take to add a band only if we got a review.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2015 at 04:40
I was never much of a writer (not even in Portuguese), although I make an effort to write some bios. I could write a review for Sequentia Legenda if everyone would shut up about it though...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2015 at 04:46
Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:

We should start  from the beginning, it takes more time to get votes on each bands, adding a new band with one or two albums doesn't take much time like Olav said, i can only imagine how much time it could take to add a band only if we got a review.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2015 at 04:49
Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

I was never much of a writer (not even in Portuguese), although I make an effort to write some bios. I could write a review for Sequentia Legenda if everyone would shut up about it though...
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Awww go on write and please do review for Sequentia Legenda (I am curious as I don't know them)? I promise I will keep my big mouth shut Big smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2015 at 05:35
Originally posted by Sheavy Sheavy wrote:

As you stated some collabs were chosen because of their forum posts rather than reviews, some collaborators haven't ever written a review for this site. Reviewing albums for this site is something people do for enjoyment, turning it into a task and forcing people through random choosing can't be in the interest of PA.
Yup - only write reviews if you enjoy it, it's a hobby not a job - I've only written six reviews because I don't enjoy writing them.

Now that I no longer have access to the relevant information on the Admin Panel as far as I can tell from looking through the Collab page only two collabs have never written a review: the two "Site Webmasters", Max and Philippe (graphix) - there may be others who have a Reviews-count that consists of rating-only but that's something I cannot tell without looking at each profile in turn.

Some interesting statistics:

In total the 301 collaborators (i.e. all 4 and 5 star members) have contributed 105,379 reviews to the site.

Of those 105,379 only 47,584 were contributed by Prog Reviews; 7,735 were from 4-star collaborators and 50,060 by 5-star Special Collabs and Admins.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2015 at 05:39
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Many members have been issued a collaborator status due to their contributions i.e. reviews and/or posting actions. This is well deserved. 
Besides all this, collaborators on PA should have the best interest when it comes to this site in mind,thus I suggest that there should be a method that all bands added on here to PA should thereafter have at least one review written by a collaborator. All collaborators should be in the running to be selected to write a review at any given time for the sake and benefit of this site.  This is not about egos or divas, it's about the best interest of P.A. 
Nope. It's a noble idea but impossible to administer, just as it is impossible to expect that the person who initially suggested the band should also contribute a written review for their nominated artist, (though if there is someone who should, then surely the person who was so desperate for the bands to be added should contribute more than a 5-star rating... but maybe that's just me who has such expectations). 

Adding bands by collaborator teams is an impartial endeavour - the teams do not have to like a band or any of their albums to add them, so forcing them to then write a review could be counter-productive and detrimental, so that leaves putting out a general call to all collabs in the vague hope that one of them will be sufficiently motivated... and if no one is, what then? We force someone? That ain't gonna happen either.Stern Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2015 at 05:45
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Many members have been issued a collaborator status due to their contributions i.e. reviews and/or posting actions. This is well deserved. 
Besides all this, collaborators on PA should have the best interest when it comes to this site in mind,thus I suggest that there should be a method that all bands added on here to PA should thereafter have at least one review written by a collaborator. All collaborators should be in the running to be selected to write a review at any given time for the sake and benefit of this site.  This is not about egos or divas, it's about the best interest of P.A. 
Nope. It's a noble idea but impossible to administer, just as it is impossible to expect that the person who initially suggested the band should also contribute a written review for their nominated artist, (though if there is someone who should, then surely the person who was so desperate for the bands to be added should contribute more than a 5-star rating... but maybe that's just me who has such expectations). 

Adding bands by collaborator teams is an impartial endeavour - the teams do not have to like a band or any of their albums to add them, so forcing them to then write a review could be counter-productive and detrimental, so that leaves putting out a general call to all collabs in the vague hope that one of them will be sufficiently motivated... and if no one is, what then? We force someone? That ain't gonna happen either.Stern Smile


Dean you are being very snotty right now, the question here was about bands who are added here on PA however don't get reviewed. 

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