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windycrawford ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: April 24 2015 Location: Moscow Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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It seems to me, ELP's Karn Evil 9 1st Impression Part II and Deep Purple's Flight of The Rat have pretty much similar vocal melody. Though the riff is not identical, I can hear the influence of Purple's Rat in ELP song. Is it true, or is it just me?
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13190 |
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It is just you. No, really, not even close in cadence, lyricism or execution.
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JD ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18446 |
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As both a huge ELP and Deep Purple fan and a sound engineer I will also say...
NOT EVEN CLOSE! But don't feel bad, not everyone can distinguish melody and cadence differences like others. As long as you enjoy what you hear. |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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I don't hear any similarity whatsoever (and like both bands) but despite that, just because any two musical ideas may have some common attributes, doesn't automatically mean plagiarism is afoot....
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Green Shield Stamp ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 17 2009 Location: Telford, UK Status: Offline Points: 933 |
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Not a rip off but there IS a similarity.
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Writing a poem With seventeen syllables Is very diffic.... |
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13190 |
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How so? The fact that they both happen to rhyme? DEEP PURPLE: Spread the word around The rat is leaving town The message is a song The misery is gone Once I had a dream To sing before the queen She didn't want to know She wouldn't see the show What a fright I couldn't do it right Oh what a night ELP: Soon the Gypsy Queen in a glaze of vaseline Will perform on guillotine, what a scene, what a scene Next upon the stand will you please extend a hand To Alexander's Ragtime Band, Dixieland, Dixieland Roll up, roll up, roll up See the show Performing on a stool we've a sight to make you drool Seven virgins and a mule, keep it cool, keep it cool We would like it to be known the exhibits that were shown Were exclusively our own, all our own, all our own Yes, they both rhyme, and they both contain words, some of which are the same (particularly prepositions and articles). Yet the rhyme scheme in Deep Purple's song is for the most part AABB, while in the ELP example (the scheme changes from 1st to 2nd to 3rd Impression) it is AAAABBBB. Additionally, no one could ever accuse Deep Purple of profundity in their lyrics, nor of ELP borrowing from Purple. Edited by The Dark Elf - April 24 2015 at 11:42 |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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It pains me to agree with the wee beige pixie but yeah, the proffered similarity is about as tenuous as one of Sventonio's shoo-ins for 'Prog Masterpiece'
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Barbu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30855 |
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Couldn't care less.
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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^ less would presumably include not posting at all? Left off bro
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Barbu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30855 |
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At least I've expressed my sentiments and I'm feeling much better now.
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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Thanks for your output
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Green Shield Stamp ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 17 2009 Location: Telford, UK Status: Offline Points: 933 |
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There is a similarity in the vocal melody.
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JD ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18446 |
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Melody? Not Really, Rhythm? Kinda Sorta, but only in the most abstract terms.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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This thread reminds me of One Song To The Tune Of Another, except that's a game that doesn't actually work with the two songs here.
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What?
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13190 |
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When has the use of logic ever stopped a thread?
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
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Tom Ozric ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15926 |
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I guess you could fit the same lyrics in each song and it could work
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Tom Ozric ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15926 |
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Does that mean Floyd ripped off Cindy Lauper - I hear similarities between Girls Just Wanna Have Fun and Learning To Fly, or I must be brain damaged. Whenever I hear that Lauper tune at work, I instantly start humming Learning To Fly.......
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windycrawford ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: April 24 2015 Location: Moscow Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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Lol there is similarity for real, so this might be Pink Floyd 'borrowing' from Cindy. Even if so, I won't get heart attack from it, since Floyd post-Wall era is certainly not among the best creations of prog. And ofc i don't rly accuse ELP of ripping off Purple, its just a kind of provocative topic name
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29197 |
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Would be some irony as the live version of Space Trucking borrows from The Nice - Rondo ( also borrowed by Genesis for The Knife). The Nice in turn borrowed from Brubeck who in turn borrowed from Mozart. Ah now I've got it , everyone rips off Mozart!
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