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    Posted: November 06 2014 at 14:55
I knew Andy Partridge was a  great songwriter about 20 years before Steven Wilson did. Wilson has remastered  the XTC album Nonesuch with the same care that he bestowed on past KC, Yes and Tull classics.
 
So is XTC prog related or is that only Steven Wilsons view?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2014 at 15:56
I'm a pretty big fan of XTC....never thought of them as prog or even prog related but I can see why some might feel that way. And simply because Wilson is remixing them doesn't mean they are prog nor that he also thinks so. Has he said as much?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2014 at 16:05
^Good question. On checking again, an article in U.K.'s Prog Mag calls the album prog. Wilson said that he just happens loves it, but that's all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2014 at 17:07
XTC were one of my favorite bands. They were quite complex but I never even thought of them as prog or even prog related (related via whom?). Glad Wilson's doing a number on Nonsuch - a bit more breathing space in the mix could do wonders for that album. It's a bit monotonous in a lot of spots.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2014 at 19:03
I'm a big fan and consider them prog.  When I heard English Settlement back when it was fresh I totally embraced them as prog.  Too much opposition for them to ever be added here.  The further back you go in their discography from that point the less prog they get...

I recommend looking up a previous discussion thread.  You might find it interesting.


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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2014 at 19:25
Errm...Which one did you have in mind...?
Those are just the ones in the New Suggestions forum - there are thirteen others to choose from (mostly in the General Music Discussions forum) if you do a search.  Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2014 at 19:29
Hi,
 
From "English Settlement" all the way to "Nonesuch", is where my tastes lie. I still think that "Big Express" is a progressive music masterpiece that should be listed in the top 100 of this board, but I'm not sure that "fans" here like to listen to something that is not, generally, repetitive at all, and whose heart is not just a box of paints!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2014 at 19:32
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
From "English Settlement" all the way to "Nonesuch", is where my tastes lie. I still think that "Big Express" is a progressive music masterpiece that should be listed in the top 100 of this board, but I'm not sure that "fans" here like to listen to something that is not, generally, repetitive at all, and whose heart is not just a box of paints!
The Big Express is actually one of my least favorites, and that's speaking as a longtime fan.  Too much banging around and noisy sea chanties for my tastes.  Skylarking, on the other hand, I think could make a legitimate run for the distinction of "great prog album". (in spite of my earlier post; now that I think about it, they're more proggy than I thought... but still, a hard sell for the site I'll admit).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2014 at 19:35
Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
From "English Settlement" all the way to "Nonesuch", is where my tastes lie. I still think that "Big Express" is a progressive music masterpiece that should be listed in the top 100 of this board, but I'm not sure that "fans" here like to listen to something that is not, generally, repetitive at all, and whose heart is not just a box of paints!
The Big Express is actually one of my least favorites, and that's speaking as a longtime fan.  Too much banging around and noisy sea chanties for my tastes.  Skylarking, on the other hand, I think could make a legitimate run for the distinction of "great prog album".
 
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"Skylarking" was a nice album, but I thought that Sodd Rungens producing was not a good match for XTC.  Have to hear it again, as my memory of it is not clear anymore.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2014 at 22:26
Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
From "English Settlement" all the way to "Nonesuch", is where my tastes lie. I still think that "Big Express" is a progressive music masterpiece that should be listed in the top 100 of this board, but I'm not sure that "fans" here like to listen to something that is not, generally, repetitive at all, and whose heart is not just a box of paints!
The Big Express is actually one of my least favorites, and that's speaking as a longtime fan.  Too much banging around and noisy sea chanties for my tastes.  Skylarking, on the other hand, I think could make a legitimate run for the distinction of "great prog album". (in spite of my earlier post; now that I think about it, they're more proggy than I thought... but still, a hard sell for the site I'll admit).
 
Big Express is also one of my least faves by them....I also prefer Skylarking, Mummer, and Oranges and Lemons.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2014 at 06:31
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
From "English Settlement" all the way to "Nonesuch", is where my tastes lie. I still think that "Big Express" is a progressive music masterpiece that should be listed in the top 100 of this board, but I'm not sure that "fans" here like to listen to something that is not, generally, repetitive at all, and whose heart is not just a box of paints!
The Big Express is actually one of my least favorites, and that's speaking as a longtime fan.  Too much banging around and noisy sea chanties for my tastes.  Skylarking, on the other hand, I think could make a legitimate run for the distinction of "great prog album".
 
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Big Express is a good album but I don't see how it's a "progressive music masterpiece" - it's not even XTC's masterpiece. Just because it has mellotron doesn't mean it should be in PA's Top 100.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2014 at 06:48
I think it's because Pedro believes that PA should be a progressive music site instead of a Prog Rock site. It'd be interesting for sure, but that also entails everyone around him agreeing with such an overhaul. 
Progressive music exist everywhere, not only in prog. He's definitely right about that, but bringing in every act who pushed the musical envelope would mean including hip hop, trance, bebop, reggae, post punk, blues, funk, modern classical and the works, which would defeat the purpose of the idea behind Prog Archives. 
Sure they're just pre-fabricated boxes and tags we arbitrarily throw around in order to navigate in music, but they're also the reason why we have Prog Archives to begin with. The boxes. For better and for worse.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2014 at 07:32
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I think it's because Pedro believes that PA should be a progressive music site instead of a Prog Rock site. It'd be interesting for sure, but that also entails everyone around him agreeing with such an overhaul. 
Progressive music exist everywhere, not only in prog. He's definitely right about that, but bringing in every act who pushed the musical envelope would mean including hip hop, trance, bebop, reggae, post punk, blues, funk, modern classical and the works, which would defeat the purpose of the idea behind Prog Archives. 
Sure they're just pre-fabricated boxes and tags we arbitrarily throw around in order to navigate in music, but they're also the reason why we have Prog Archives to begin with. The boxes. For better and for worse.
I would argue that The Big Express is more of a step back to Black Sea than a progression from The English Settlement. Now that is a proggy album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2014 at 09:14
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XTC were one of my favorite bands. They were quite complex but I never even thought of them as prog or even prog related (related via whom?).
In PA's list of definitions for prog related, I 'll go with No. 7. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2014 at 12:43
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

XTC were one of my favorite bands. They were quite complex but I never even thought of them as prog or even prog related (related via whom?).
In PA's list of definitions for prog related, I 'll go with No. 7. LOL
#7 is possibly the most important one, honestly.  Unfortunately, that relies on personal points of view that may or may not be prejudiced.  (i.e. "It's not prog, cuz... it's not prog! It just isn't! Shut up!").  Still, that's why we have to trust our admins to be as objective as they can, and why the decision isn't made by goofy collaborators like me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2014 at 13:51
^Yes. Realistically, I don't have a leg to stand on. So I'll hide behind No.7. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2014 at 14:24
What's progressive about Generals And Majors ??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2014 at 14:09
Their earlier albums were a bit more angular than the shiny pop of the later days.  More punkish than proggy; then they went more for a "big music" sound with drums overwhelming things, like on Wire and Drum and Black Sea.  The XTC that I like came next - more song based and acoustic than earlier stuff.
 
Still, nothing proggy at all.....I liken their early music to Ultravox in that it started punk but then leaned more toward the New Wave.  XTC graduated from than and became pop music icons.  Is there really anything prog about English Settlement or Oranges and Lemons?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2014 at 06:10
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

What's progressive about Generals And Majors ??

The lyrics.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2016 at 09:37
If Iron Maiden is considered prog-related, and XTC is not even considered prog-related, then I'm very confused with such a state of things. Some people may be metal fans or punk-rooted bands haters who block more ambitious post punk/new wave acts in their classification as prog. Kate Bush is on Prog Archives. Here today, I read that XTC doesn't deserve to be prog-related. But in my opinion, it should be classified as 'crossover prog'. Their music is almost as arty, innovative and complex as Talking Heads. Even if it is (in some albums) more pop-oriented, it's never below a level of sophistication comparable to Kate Bush. Let's be more tolerant, not sectarian !Tongue
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