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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 11:59


Seattle police are brutal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 12:21
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

The remarks being that he was armed. Obviously could be completely falsified.

I've had some very nasty conversations online with FB friends who are now cops. They seem to divide the world into good guys and bad guys and bad guys get what the deserve in the cops' minds. Criminals are definitely a lesser life form, and the cops don't wait for a judge to decide who is a criminal.
 
My favorite part was asking them if they had any cognitive dissonance when spouting libertarian ideals, how the current administration was perpetuating tyranny, and then going to work to be the strong arm of the Man.


This guy wasn't even a bad guy. He was a dude trying to sleep.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 12:56
There are no bad guys. That's the point.
 
 
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 18:43
True, but if he was shooting children in the face when they walked in then I might get their logic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2013 at 12:14

What do you think of my idea that you can't be a libertarian if you're a cop?

(Exaggerated way of saying it but you get the point)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2013 at 13:31
If you're a libertarian, then you can't be a what your supervisors would call a good cop, but I think you can certainly be a cop.

By a similar argument you could say that a libertarian could not serve on a jury. Sure he can, but he would be practicing jury nullification most of the time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2013 at 14:21
Having been registered as a libertarian I don't think I'll ever need to worry about being called in to jury duty.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2013 at 14:24
I'm not registered as one, but I'm sure my file says anarchist on it somewhere. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2013 at 14:25
I don't mean "can" in terms of "be allowed to" but that there is an inherent condradiction.
 
 
BTW, the last time I was called for jury duty there was a question about mandatory minimum sentences and we were asked if we could still render a verdict knowing that, and I said no. I wasn't picked.


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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2013 at 14:32
Ever heard of a libertarian librarian?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2013 at 14:44
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

I don't mean "can" in terms of "be allowed to" but that there is an inherent condradiction.
 
 
BTW, the last time I was called for jury duty there was a question about mandatory minimum sentences and we were asked if we could still render a verdict knowing that, and I said no. I wasn't picked.


Why didn't you lie? It seems like a disservice. There would be a score of things that I could not do, such as convict someone for half the crime statutes on the books, but I would never say that. I would just vote non-guilty.

There's only a contradiction if you assume that a cop needs to act in a certain way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2013 at 14:44
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Ever heard of a libertarian librarian?


That's ludicrous.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2013 at 14:51
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

What do you think of my idea that you can't be a libertarian if you're a cop?

(Exaggerated way of saying it but you get the point)


It depends.  Does it go against you conscience to enforce laws that you personally disagree with?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2013 at 17:27
Interesting article about the future of the Revolution within the republican party using historical comparisons:The Ron Paul Legacy


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2013 at 19:46
One of the other groups born from his legacy were the Blue Republicans, liberals and progressives that realize limited government is the best, perhaps only, way to reach our liberal ideals. Cool
Indeed, its amazing the swell that happened in the 4 year period of 08-12.

There is a good point made, the limited government folk is notoriously rigid, while it can be good...hope they can accept certain compromises. I dont mean big ideal changers, even tiny sways off the path usually caused outcry. Long as the ideals live on though, that can be worked for.
Hope Gary Johnson sticks around and runs again. I'd say he now has the best record out there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2013 at 17:02
I spent thirty minutes on the phone on hold with the IRS.  When a live person answers the phone, she gets halfway through her introduction and then somehow hangs up on me.  Angry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2013 at 17:46
^Phone customer service is equally horrendous in both the public and private sector though
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2013 at 18:14
On the callback, I spent 50 minutes waiting.

However, my representative was a delightful fellow who sounded just like Phillip Seymour Hoffman.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2013 at 19:50
I've spent a lot of time on the phone to the IRS, mostly for my job but also for personal tax issues.  They are always immensely slow, but when I finally do get ahold of a live human being, they've never been anything but friendly and helpful to me.  
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2013 at 20:11
So...who's gonna move to Glenn Beck's cult compoun....I mean...Libertarian Commune?
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2013/01/glenn_beck_is_planning_a_2_bil.php
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