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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

While not listed, I think we could sneak Little Women in (think The Flying Luttenbachers, but actually good), but even if we couldn't, I think they would be of interest to you guys. I think in any case Throat will end up high on my 2010 list.
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Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

New album from DIE ANARCHISTISCHE ABENDUNTERHALTUNG out on April 12th, called The Shepherd's Dream.
Samples here:
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Sweet, these dudes are one of my favs. From the samples, this effort seems like it's going to be a quite a bit more modest than what they've forged in the past, but it still sounds very nice.
Bah, modesty is boring. :P
 
 

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Thought I should probably plug this here as well, as the readers of this thread are more likely to be interested in the project:  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66372
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Interesting project, I'm surprised all those bands actually exist, although it seems that quite a few of the links on the annotated page are dead. I think it's hilarious that King Crimson is on there along with Airway and Älgarnas Trädgård. I still have quite a few albums on my plate before I start going through something like that, but I'm interested in your opinion on some of them. Are you the kind of person who likes AMMMusic? I'm still not sure if I am. I'm going to guess you're not, from your review of Airway, which I kind of liked the samples from, although it's not an album on my priority list (Smegma and the LA Free Music Scene has never struck me as very good free improvisation--I watched a documentary about noise in Portland, OR, and a big part of it was about how anybody can make noise. Which is true, but that doesn't mean it's good). But it's one of those albums people who read this thread should hear.



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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Interesting project, I'm surprised all those bands actually exist, although it seems that quite a few of the links on the annotated page are dead. I think it's hilarious that King Crimson is on there along with Airway and Älgarnas Trädgård. I still have quite a few albums on my plate before I start going through something like that, but I'm interested in your opinion on some of them. Are you the kind of person who likes AMMMusic? I'm still not sure if I am. I'm going to guess you're not, from your review of Airway, which I kind of liked the samples from, although it's not an album on my priority list (Smegma and the LA Free Music Scene has never struck me as very good free improvisation--I watched a documentary about noise in Portland, OR, and a big part of it was about how anybody can make noise. Which is true, but that doesn't mean it's good). But it's one of those albums people who read this thread should hear.



It might seem an odd list of bands until you listen to Nurse With Wound. I can hear the influence of every single artist I've reviewed so far in their music.

Airway was a tough one to review because for the first five minutes I friggin' loved it. I scored it low because it just got boring. My main criticism in the review wasn't the level of noise (I've been listening to a lot of Merzbow recently, so I guess it's fair to say that I don't have a problem with noise at all) but the sheer lack of change. It started then continued in an almost identical manner for thirty minutes - no up, no down. You couldn't tell where one instrument stopped and the next began, it was just incessant and, ultimately, pretty dull. I've never heard AMM, so we'll have to wait and see...
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Trouserpress: I am still not be able to listen to more than 5  minutes of Soliloquy for Lilith. :) 
 


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Speaking of Nurse with Wound... The band Current 93, "Blood Dogs Rising", would pass  for a RIO/Avant entry. Extremely dark an menancing. You will think Univers Zero's 'Heresy' is a lullaby after hearing this.

 
 


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Trouserpress: I am still not be able to listen to more than 5  minutes of Soliloquy for Lilith. :) 
 


LOL I still need to give that one a go myself. I love the story behind it, though. So far Homotopy to Marie is my favourite.
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Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by Rottenhat Rottenhat wrote:

Trouserpress: I am still not be able to listen to more than 5  minutes of Soliloquy for Lilith. :) 
 


LOL I still need to give that one a go myself. I love the story behind it, though. So far Homotopy to Marie is my favourite.
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I know I'm behind the times a bit but ... I just watched the first part of the DVD that came with Present's Barbaro (Ma Nom Troppo) ... and wow ... the first three songs blew my mind. The end of Promenade au Fond d'un Canal was pretty dang impressive. The CD was also hugely impressed me too from the first listen ... I knew I was going to like them from the first ten seconds of "Vertiges". I must say that I am hugely impressed with this band.
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Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:


It might seem an odd list of bands until you listen to Nurse With Wound. I can hear the influence of every single artist I've reviewed so far in their music.
I meant more that for a list that people call hidden gems, King Crimson is not exactly obscure. I guess it was different because they suffered without the internet then, but I still find it difficult to believe that anybody who owned a Nurse With Wound album hadn't heard of King Crimson yet.
Quote Airway was a tough one to review because for the first five minutes I friggin' loved it. I scored it low because it just got boring. My main criticism in the review wasn't the level of noise (I've been listening to a lot of Merzbow recently, so I guess it's fair to say that I don't have a problem with noise at all) but the sheer lack of change. It started then continued in an almost identical manner for thirty minutes - no up, no down. You couldn't tell where one instrument stopped and the next began, it was just incessant and, ultimately, pretty dull. I've never heard AMM, so we'll have to wait and see...
That's fair, although you didn't need to name-drop Merzbow to prove it to me. ;-) Even Machine Gun has dynamic range. Since you are generally much more of a fan of "poppy" music than I am, I was curious, and since you called Airway noise when in my mind they're clearly not, I made an inference that seems to be off-target. Don't be lazy and call things noise next time! :P
 
Anyway, I'm excited for AMMMusic. That's one even James hasn't been able to conquer. ;-)
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

you called Airway noise when in my mind they're clearly not, I made an inference that seems to be off-target. Don't be lazy and call things noise next time! :P


What would call Airway then? Are they simply "free improvisation"? I'm sketchy on genre tags at times (I find they're only helpful when people don't get too anal about them) and called 'em noise because it seemed like that's exactly what they were doing - a great big wall of atonal, dissonant noise, totally divorced from conventional musical structures.

Edit: Oh, and as for the King Crimson thing, NWW didn't intend the list to become the revered guide to weird music it is today. It was simply created as a tribute/reference to all the groups that had inspired them.


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We managed to add Iva Bittová finally. She's one of the most prominent and well known Czech Avant/Folk artists.

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=5460

I'm adding albums as we speak, but it's a hard thing to do, so I also ask anyone interested to help. Or anyone who knows some additional info as well. Or some reviews. Or some albums I haven't added yet.

Well, that's my two cents. Or my two Czech Crowns instead ?
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I just got this excellent  2CD release of the original 1982  2LP Recommended Records sampler.
 
 
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Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

you called Airway noise when in my mind they're clearly not, I made an inference that seems to be off-target. Don't be lazy and call things noise next time! :P


What would call Airway then? Are they simply "free improvisation"? I'm sketchy on genre tags at times (I find they're only helpful when people don't get too anal about them) and called 'em noise because it seemed like that's exactly what they were doing - a great big wall of atonal, dissonant noise, totally divorced from conventional musical structures.

Edit: Oh, and as for the King Crimson thing, NWW didn't intend the list to become the revered guide to weird music it is today. It was simply created as a tribute/reference to all the groups that had inspired them.
To be honest, I sort of make it up as I go along. That's what I was thinking when I made the post because I associate noise with the use of non-musical objects to create sound and excessive feedback. But I think manipulated feedback is still music, so...Listening to Airway again with headphones there is a lot more feedback noise than I remembered getting out of crappy computer speakers, so I was getting a little annoyed for nothing, but I personally have trouble calling it noise when you can very clearly hear a drum kit and saxophone (even if they're playing nothing in particular). This is less a logical reaction than an emotional one because I'm tired of seeing music I enjoy slurred as noise. Maybe that is a distinction without a difference: to be honest, I've only just recently been getting into the fringes of what could be called "noise" because it turns out that free jazz isn't enough to satisfy my taste for extreme sounds (and tinnitus). I'll get back to you in a few months once I have more Keith Rowe and Haters albums. ;-)

Fair enough on NWW list. This Ritual Songs album seems pretty interesting (and almost as cheap as Jandek!). Would you recommend any NWW to me, considering the fact that I don't like repetition or ambient music?


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Hey Henry,

Can you give any noise recommendations? I don't know if I would like it, but I'm interested in hearing what it actually sounds like. Are there any artists that I should definitely check out? 

Or even free jazz as well? My only exposure to that genre was the soundtrack to Cronenberg's Naked Lunch by Ornette Coleman and I enjoyed that quite a bit (within the context of the movie anyway - not sure if I would enjoy just listening to it).



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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Anyway, I'm excited for AMMMusic. That's one even James hasn't been able to conquer. ;-)


For what its worth, I'd be more inclined to get The Crypt (from '68) pretty much the same approach, but a better album ;) It's amusing seeing Keith Rowe's name in a noise discussion :)

David, have fun, back a couple of years when the Mutant Sounds blog hit the scene I fished out the titles I'd been unable to track down from the list, and had a pretty complete collection. There's a lot of crap, but you'll find a lot of worthwhile music in the mix. These days I've kept what interested me and disposed of the rest.

Ah! splendid to see Iva Bittova here, she came out the international folk festival in my little town last year, unfortunately I was out of town at the time.
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For what its worth, I'd be more inclined to get The Crypt (from '68) pretty much the same approach, but a better album ;) It's amusing seeing Keith Rowe's name in a noise discussion :)

David, have fun, back a couple of years when the Mutant Sounds blog hit the scene I fished out the titles I'd been unable to track down from the list, and had a pretty complete collection. There's a lot of crap, but you'll find a lot of worthwhile music in the mix. These days I've kept what interested me and disposed of the rest.



Yeah, I imagine I'll do much the same. This isn't purely an exercise in finding new music, TBH. After all, there are probably far better ways to go about tackling this list than ploughing through it alphabetically and attributing each artist an arbitary set of scores. I feel this project actually feeds in a little to my practice as a writer/artist/thing which often relates to finding the madness in method.

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Henry: from my (limited) experience of NWW, I'd recommend Homotopy to Marie.
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re NWW, I quite adore The Sylvie & Babs Hi-Fi (aka High-Thigh) Companion

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Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

Hey Henry,

Can you give any noise recommendations? I don't know if I would like it, but I'm interested in hearing what it actually sounds like. Are there any artists that I should definitely check out? 

Or even free jazz as well? My only exposure to that genre was the soundtrack to Cronenberg's Naked Lunch by Ornette Coleman and I enjoyed that quite a bit (within the context of the movie anyway - not sure if I would enjoy just listening to it).



Kestrel,

You might check out Compulsion by Andrew Hill. He was a really formative composer of the 60s avant-garde jazz movement. I like his stuff his more experimental albums a lot... shame he's not more well known.
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