For my Libertarian friends

Slartibartfast wrote: Precisely, illegal immigrants don't have voting rights, but legal citizen immigrants do. But uhm, politicians doing what's right for the country?  What bizzaro world are you living on?

 

Edited by manofmystery - August 04 2010 at 13:43

MoM is the essence of the good politician, "follow the rules for society that I want and you will be 'free'"

Edited by Easy Money - August 04 2010 at 14:35

Call it what you want, if you vote Republican, you are a Republican. Libertarian sounds better when you are at cocktail party with college graduates.

As we say in the south, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...


Edited by Easy Money - August 04 2010 at 14:51

The T wrote: Another question, this one fresh from the news... The GOP is trying to repeal the 14 amendment to the Constitution which grants people born here even from illegal immigrants citizenship. What do you think? Een Lou Dobbs of all people have said it is too much. I wonder what will you say. Pat Shields always mentions the Supreme Text. Do you think this is going against its spirit? Do you think a change is necessary? Do you think the GOP is just riding the wave of immigration chaos in order to gain favor? Opinions?

I don't think the 14th amendment should be repealed. They should probably amend the amendment if they want to achieve their illegal immigrant agenda.

I actually am not to sure that is necessary as I have said in the past. I don't think the amendment actually grants the status it supposedly does to illegal immigrants. With that said, I'm not sure really where I stand with citizenship issues. My gut reaction is that I don't like it. Eliminating social welfare programs would have the same effect conservatives desire, would do much more to cut the budget, and would actually be in line with their so called philosophy.

I think the GOP is responding correctly to a concern that many American's have. I don't think we need to analyze their motives.

The T wrote: ^He accused me yesterday of wanting people only to follow what I believe in. He implied that with power I would be so dangerous. Yet I think he also fits that description perfectly. Whoever is not a libertarian and a defender of the full free market is a tyrannt monster.

He's right though. You want to have the government force people to be in line with opinions you have.

He does not fit the description at all. He doesn't want to force people to do anything. He wants to be left alone.

Boy, a lot of idiocy to combat here.  First, I'd like to thank Easy Money for deciding to jump into the thread 93 pages in and accuse me of being everything I despise.  But anyway

Hey MOM, once more the charm. One reason you libertarians (and specially you) get such strong reactions is because you just can't talk about what other people say without using words like "idiocy, stupid", or other ones like them. It would appear the ones wanting to force people into their system (or lack thereof) are you, the advocates od absolute freedom.

Equality, you say MOM just wants to be left alone. Well, that requires society doing what he wishes, that requires him imposing his will on others. If people so want a libertarian society to emerge, it would have happened or it will happen one day, but not because MOM wants to be left alone, but because everybody else wants a system that permits that. You don't live alone. So make your dreamed system prevail and then you'll be alone MOM, if not, you're just a maladapted loner.

By the way, when we talked about burqassome people said maybe women in islam don't want the full freedom we westerners seem to impose on them. Maybe most people in general also prefer a system with rules and a governing body and limitations? Maybe they can be as free as MOM is by not wanting to be as free as he wants them to?

You are the ones who are so upset because your ideal libertarian society is not in place. Then work to make it happen instead of trying to make those who don't think it's all that good to look as the ones imposing things on people.

In the end, libertarianism is another political system, one with total freedom but a system about who has power and what's done with it. So if you want a libertarian society you have to first play by the rules unless you have the gus to start a revolution. You, MOM, are as much a politician as those politicians you hate are. You just have no power and represent nobody buy yourself. But your actions are political, your goals are political, your talk is political, even if it's one where politics would get buried forever....

... Whixh will never happen. Politics is as inherent to humans as... Greed is

The gay marriage ban one in California? I opposed it. But my position lost. I don't agree with it. I would have it changed. But I'm not going to say everyone who favors it is an idiot or stupid. Some are fanatics, for sure. But we lost. Those are the rules.

I would like to see the democratic and republican parties die... I would love to vote in a Libertarian V Socialist V Moderate election... though choosing which side to vote would be a hard one for me