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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
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Well I dont know why, unless you wrote the review...
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Ricochet ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
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I'm genuinely looking forward to see how Still The Waters sounds. I've coped with music done by PA members before, both ways. I anticipate my impression to be somewhere in the middle.
One thing, when drawing the line to this bit monstruous discussion, is that perhaps the members who received STW as a monthly gift reward could be invited to review the product. This will either balance the rating, just like it happened eight out of ten times with normally popular albums, or will crown Robert as the new king of prog. Of course, we could hope for more reviews, from outside spheres. After all, with all these high recommendations (counterpointed by just one of the opposite extreme) so far, many should theoretically be curious by now. I know I would. Edited by Ricochet - August 15 2009 at 17:48 |
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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The point I was trying to make is that an opinion can also be false, can it not? Just because what Tony said was wrong does not make it any less his opinion. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something, here. |
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
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How do you know I am wrong? ![]() The one thing that we can say for sure is that YOU cannot know I am wrong, neither can Epignosis! |
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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Well, exactly. But Robert is saying that what you said is false and not your opinion, I wads simply saying that you could in fact be both or neither simultaniousely, |
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Negoba ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5210 |
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I am completely and totally confused now.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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^I seem to have that affect on people.
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17324 |
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I think things would be going down much better if the conversation were happening in a bar over beers. So much room for offense in the written exchange, with its lack of body language and easy expansion of thoughts. We're friends, let's remember that.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
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I've had a drink, so let me articulate this:
An opinion is that which is neither true nor false by its nature: "A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof:" (thefreedictionary.com) What Tony is talking about is a question of true or false. Either Alex has a vested interest in my work or he does not. That's a question of fact. It's either yes or no. One can believe he does, but that will either be a true or false belief. Tony, if you think Alex has a vested interest, then prove it. Don't make half-assed and vague accusations prefaced by "I'm not calling him out, but in my humble opinion..." That's cowardly. |
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
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Hardly. Go cool off.
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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Speak for yourself. ![]() ![]() |
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17324 |
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Gotcha Micah! ![]() Re "vested interest", am I the only one who thinks Tony is talking about friendship, and naturally wishing to be good to friends.....whereas others think he is talking about some monetary form of interest? A misunderstanding? |
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
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By vested interest, I assume he means I support Alex's band's inclusion on PA. But that's all I can do is assume, because Tony choose to make vague accusations.
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
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Well his ill-considered review poses all kinds of questions. This is why you should think things through before hitting the "publish" button.
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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I do agree with Tony on one thing; the five-star reviews for STW seem very one-sided. I tried my best to not sound too biased, and hopefully I came across as fair and balanced in the end. I just think any review, regardless who it is for, when too glowing without any criticisms of any kind, tend to be quite unreliable.
Having said that, I personally do not doubt the sincerity in Alex or David's reviews, but I can see why Tony would feel the way he does about them. |
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MovingPictures07 ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Beasty Heart Status: Offline Points: 32181 |
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You know what, this is absolutely ridiculous.
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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I'm not saying you were 'full of it', or that you weren't telling the truth in your review at all. I'm just saying that I can understand why Tony would feel like he does about it. I believe that you were completely honest in your review, so . . . stop taking offense to everything. |
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horsewithteeth11 ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Kentucky Status: Offline Points: 24598 |
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How can you understand anything Tony's said when all he's done is offer half-baked suggestions? ![]() Also, I'm probably done since this conversation has drifted way beyond where it originally started. Edited by birdwithteeth11 - August 15 2009 at 18:48 |
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horsewithteeth11 ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Kentucky Status: Offline Points: 24598 |
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I almost want to send you a PM right now, but I'll see how lazy I am after I'm done being annoyed. Because at this point, that's the only way I'll continue discussing this issue. |
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
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Brrr! I almost got a frisson of anticipation then. PM me all you want, if it makes you happy. ![]() |
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