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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tony R Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 17:46
Well I dont know why, unless you wrote the review...Ermm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ricochet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 17:47
I'm genuinely looking forward to see how Still The Waters sounds. I've coped with music done by PA members before, both ways. I anticipate my impression to be somewhere in the middle.

One thing, when drawing the line to this bit monstruous discussion, is that perhaps the members who received STW as a monthly gift reward could be invited to review the product. This will either balance the rating, just like it happened eight out of ten times with normally popular albums, or will crown Robert as the new king of prog.

Of course, we could hope for more reviews, from outside spheres. After all, with all these high recommendations (counterpointed by just one of the opposite extreme) so far, many should theoretically be curious by now. I know I would.




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JLocke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 17:50
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:



Robert; you know I very much like your music, and so far you seem to enjoy the stuff I am working on as well, and I would expect nothing but honesty from you, and I'm sure it's the same on your end. Tony seems to be very honest in his opinions, here. Shouldn't that be respected? It may not seem that he respects others' opinions on this, but is that really required of him? As far as I am concerned, he (just like the new guy who blasted STW) is giving his honest opinion, and even if that opinion includes the perspective that those of us who like your album have a 'vested interest', it's still his opinion, and should be respected as such.



Tony has said Alex favorably reviewed my work because he had a vested interested.  That's not opinion.  It's a falsehood.


These two are not mutually exclusive, y'know. Confused


No, I don't know.  An opinion is subjective.  True and false are objective.  It's a fact you rated my album four stars.  It's an opinion why you did.

If Alex rated my album for some vested interest, then I am at a total loss as to why.

But he didn't.

Excuse me.  I'm a tad disgusted.



The point I was trying to make is that an opinion can also be false, can it not?

Just because what Tony said was wrong does not make it any less his opinion.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something, here.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tony R Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 17:54
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:



Robert; you know I very much like your music, and so far you seem to enjoy the stuff I am working on as well, and I would expect nothing but honesty from you, and I'm sure it's the same on your end. Tony seems to be very honest in his opinions, here. Shouldn't that be respected? It may not seem that he respects others' opinions on this, but is that really required of him? As far as I am concerned, he (just like the new guy who blasted STW) is giving his honest opinion, and even if that opinion includes the perspective that those of us who like your album have a 'vested interest', it's still his opinion, and should be respected as such.



Tony has said Alex favorably reviewed my work because he had a vested interested.  That's not opinion.  It's a falsehood.


These two are not mutually exclusive, y'know. Confused


No, I don't know.  An opinion is subjective.  True and false are objective.  It's a fact you rated my album four stars.  It's an opinion why you did.

If Alex rated my album for some vested interest, then I am at a total loss as to why.

But he didn't.

Excuse me.  I'm a tad disgusted.



The point I was trying to make is that an opinion can also be false, can it not?

Just because what Tony said was wrong does not make it any less his opinion.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something, here.


How do you know I am wrong? Confused

The one thing that we can say for sure is that YOU cannot know I am wrong, neither can Epignosis!




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JLocke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 17:56
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:



Robert; you know I very much like your music, and so far you seem to enjoy the stuff I am working on as well, and I would expect nothing but honesty from you, and I'm sure it's the same on your end. Tony seems to be very honest in his opinions, here. Shouldn't that be respected? It may not seem that he respects others' opinions on this, but is that really required of him? As far as I am concerned, he (just like the new guy who blasted STW) is giving his honest opinion, and even if that opinion includes the perspective that those of us who like your album have a 'vested interest', it's still his opinion, and should be respected as such.



Tony has said Alex favorably reviewed my work because he had a vested interested.  That's not opinion.  It's a falsehood.


These two are not mutually exclusive, y'know. Confused


No, I don't know.  An opinion is subjective.  True and false are objective.  It's a fact you rated my album four stars.  It's an opinion why you did.

If Alex rated my album for some vested interest, then I am at a total loss as to why.

But he didn't.

Excuse me.  I'm a tad disgusted.



The point I was trying to make is that an opinion can also be false, can it not?

Just because what Tony said was wrong does not make it any less his opinion.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something, here.


How do you know I am wrong? Confused

The one thing that we can say for sure is that YOU cannot know I am wrong, neither can Epignosis!






Well, exactly. But Robert is saying that what you said is false and not your opinion, I wads simply saying that you could in fact be both or neither simultaniousely,
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Negoba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 18:02
I am completely and totally confused now.
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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^I seem to have that affect on people. LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 18:12
I think things would be going down much better if the conversation were happening in a bar over beers.  So much room for offense in the written exchange, with its lack of body language and easy expansion of thoughts.  We're friends, let's remember that. 

Of course, the above statement could be because I'm having a beer as we speakWink


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Epignosis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 18:13
I've had a drink, so let me articulate this:

An opinion is that which is neither true nor false by its nature:

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A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof:" (thefreedictionary.com)

What Tony is talking about is a question of true or false.  Either Alex has a vested interest in my work or he does not.  That's a question of fact.  It's either yes or no.  One can believe he does, but that will either be a true or false belief.

Tony, if you think Alex has a vested interest, then prove it.  Don't make half-assed and vague accusations prefaced by "I'm not calling him out, but in my humble opinion..." 

That's cowardly.
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Hardly. Go cool off.


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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

. . . We're friends, let's remember that . . .


Speak for yourself. Big smile

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Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

. . . We're friends, let's remember that . . .


Speak for yourself. Big smile

Wink


Gotcha Micah!LOL


Re "vested interest", am I the only one who thinks Tony is talking about friendship, and naturally wishing to be good to friends.....whereas others think he is talking about some monetary form of interest? 

A misunderstanding?



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Epignosis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 18:23
By vested interest, I assume he means I support Alex's band's inclusion on PA.  But that's all I can do is assume, because Tony choose to make vague accusations.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tony R Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 18:26
Well his ill-considered review poses all kinds of questions. This is why you should think things through before hitting the "publish" button. Wink
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I do agree with Tony on one thing; the five-star reviews for STW seem very one-sided. I tried my best to not sound too biased, and hopefully I came across as fair and balanced in the end. I just think any review, regardless who it is for, when too glowing without any criticisms of any kind, tend to be quite unreliable.

Having said that, I personally do not doubt the sincerity in Alex or David's reviews, but I can see why Tony would feel the way he does about them.
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You know what, this is absolutely ridiculous.


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Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

You know what, this is absolutely ridiculous.




I'm not saying you were 'full of it', or that you weren't telling the truth in your review at all. I'm just saying that I can understand why Tony would feel like he does about it. I believe that you were completely honest in your review, so . . . stop taking offense to everything.
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Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

You know what, this is absolutely ridiculous.




I'm not saying you were 'full of it', or that you weren't telling the truth in your review at all. I'm just saying that I can understand why Tony would feel like he does about it. I believe that you were completely honest in your review, so . . . stop taking offense to everything.

How can you understand anything Tony's said when all he's done is offer half-baked suggestions? Confused

Also, I'm probably done since this conversation has drifted way beyond where it originally started.


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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Well his ill-considered review poses all kinds of questions. This is why you should think things through before hitting the "publish" button. Wink

I almost want to send you a PM right now, but I'll see how lazy I am after I'm done being annoyed.

Because at this point, that's the only way I'll continue discussing this issue.
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Originally posted by birdwithteeth11 birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Well his ill-considered review poses all kinds of questions. This is why you should think things through before hitting the "publish" button. Wink

I almost want to send you a PM right now, but I'll see how lazy I am after I'm done being annoyed.

Because at this point, that's the only way I'll continue discussing this issue.

Brrr!

I almost got a frisson of anticipation then.

PM me all you want, if it makes you happy.Smile
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