How to define and classify "Progressive Rock"? - Progressive Rock Music Forum

I know I won't be satisfied with any definition if it doesn't contain the words "submanifold," "diplodocus," and "covariant" in it.

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progaardvark wrote:

I know I won't be satisfied with any definition if it doesn't contain the words "submanifold," "diplodocus," and "covariant" in it.

And the metrics of it are geodesic. I'm going to try and be more orthonormal and scalar. It's kind of a like a chocolate chip cookie that needs its antifreeze replaced.

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If it were a rotary assembly, prog is music that does not have its axis placed centrally.

Edited by Jaketejas - May 17 2022 at 09:59

David_D wrote:

Jaketejas wrote:

If it were a rotary assembly, prog is music that does not having its axis placed centrally.

I'd like to get it explained further, Jake.

Have you ever eaten Cheerios in the morning and you run across the slightly burnt torus of toasted oats with added flavor? That's prog.

Edited by Jaketejas - May 17 2022 at 10:06

Psychedelic Paul wrote:

That reminds me of one of Prog Aardvark's enigmatic forum posts. Tongue

only one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????

Edited by David_D - May 17 2022 at 12:02

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David_D wrote:

Psychedelic Paul wrote:

That reminds me of one of Prog Aardvark's enigmatic forum posts. Tongue

only one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????

My typewritten rumblings are a double-slit experiment. Paul just happened to be a random observer and out popped a gibbertron, a particle I'm known to emit during certain hours of the day when the helix of the moon is eclipsed by steamed waffle bags. The more you observe my experiment, the more gibbertrons you're going to see. I would recommend observations in moderation. Like most subways, salt intake should be monitored.

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David_D wrote:

Whatever, I'd like you to be aware of that payback time has come. Stern Smile

As nobody fogs with me!

DtR

Edited by David_D - May 18 2022 at 10:12

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David_D wrote:

suitkees wrote:

.. I mean that the "progressiveness" of the music is not a defining characteristic anymore, at least not necessarily when some of us talk about "prog". Much of modern prog, in my opinion, is merely replicating what other prog bands have done before (so in that sense not progressive at all, but corresponding to what was progressive then...), and when the music is really "progressive" it is not necessarily responding to the characteristics of what was called "progressive rock" before.

Suitkees' approach to music shows me by the way, together with similar approach I've seen of other persons, that this quoted here kind of ahistorical understanding/definition of "progressive rock" can tend to have some other negative aspects than those I've thought of so far. That is, it can be negative towards the kind of artistic approach which often has been called "retro prog".

I prefer the retro Prog sound. As long as the writing brings forth fruitful new compositions, then it suits me just fine as a bonafide subgenre of Prog. What’s obviously new is the songwriting. The songs are completely original, so I take exception to the “merely replicating” part. In fact, there are plenty of copycats in terms of songwriting amongst the new-fangled sounds. Some of those are well documented here in PA. I cringe when I hear them. Live and let live!

David_D wrote:

suitkees wrote:

.. I mean that the "progressiveness" of the music is not a defining characteristic anymore, at least not necessarily when some of us talk about "prog". Much of modern prog, in my opinion, is merely replicating what other prog bands have done before (so in that sense not progressive at all, but corresponding to what was progressive then...), and when the music is really "progressive" it is not necessarily responding to the characteristics of what was called "progressive rock" before.

Suitkees' approach to music shows me by the way, together with similar approach I've seen of other persons, that this quoted here kind of ahistorical understanding/definition of "progressive rock" can tend to have some other negative aspects than those I've thought of so far. That is, it can be negative towards the kind of artistic approach which often has been called "retro prog".

Hmm, it seems you cannot let it go... I'd advise you to take some weeks off from PA; you're getting more and more pitiful and pathetic. Your persistence to amalgamate definitions with appreciation leads you to conclusions that cannot be drawn: your reasoning is inconsistent and illogical.

My quote here above, contrary to what you claim, is a diachronic approach of the prog definition, which as such makes it possible to call something "retro" and claim that what was once "progressive" is decades later not necessarily "progressive" since it is not progressing in relation to what has been done before. This has nothing to do with my appreciation of "retro" prog (which I'm probably less charmed by than Jaketas, but each one has his/her own appreciations and preferences), but just a take on that some of what is nowadays called "prog rock" is not necessarily about progressiveness anymore, but is just following established patterns. Nothing more, nothing less. You may not agree, but you don't have to become pitiful jerk insulting - and even implicitly menacing - some forum members for their supposed lack of understanding, where you have been exposing since a very long while the inconsistencies in your reasoning and your incapacity to understand other kinds of reasoning, especially logical reasoning.

If you cannot understand that, then I recommend you to follow some comprehensive reading classes and some courses on logic, while you're enjoying your break from PA. You might come back rejuvenated, and maybe - although I'm not optimistic about that - maybe with some sense of humour.

Oh, and when some of what I wrote here is insulting, then you really deserved it...

Edited by suitkees - May 18 2022 at 13:05

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Suitkees, as told, I don't want to discuss your issue with you anymore, so don't expect to get more answers from me.

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