American Politics the 2016 edition

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JJLehto wrote: Well Mick, I try to not be involved the culture war since I think it was created by the religious right anyway, which kind of leads me naturally to my response to your couple of posts on "the youth will grow up and drop the idealism" I sincerely believe we, politically caring ones, are actually pretty realistic. We care deeply about issues. I know I said this before, it's why we have this bi polar oscillation between Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders. We care about issues, and know how important they are. We don't care as much about personality, political lines, many righties don't care about the GOP and their games with the budget, or lefties and their disdain for the Dems and their lip services. The issues we believe matter, and most people admit that. Just "its unrealistic" "wont happen" etc etc Well, gotta try? It's kind of amazing when you look at how beliefs can change over decades, hell even years(as 2008 to now has shown). So I think we're pretty realistic in our concerns on a number of issues, and realistic in wanting to some changes to politics to reflect this.  Edit: Just so it's clear I said politically caring ones. Of course my generation is plagued with apathy, which I get but saddens me and is of course unrealistic in itself since the way to bring change is to f-ing vote. And many are certainly unrealistic in other aspects: Like the "regressive left vs alt right" war that is on tumblr, reddit, FB. Im stopping myself now because it makes me so angry how stupid that debacle is, and howso many of my fellow millennials view life, on both sides of the aisle. But I do think those of us who care and bother are pretty realistic yeah

Of course it was created by the right... a war upon liberals that only became a 'culture war' once the left figured out .. after finally learning what most simple folk know.. if someone pulls a knife on you you don't pull out a study done by some think-tank that violence is bad... instead you pull a gun. Thus after losing election and election holding the moral high ground while the other side played dirty. Finally the left learned.

It only became a culture war when the left began to fight back. Look at the black community... until they started fighting back.. who was really paying attention to the disproportionate targeting of blacks.. racial based sentencing...not to mention ..ahhh.. cold blooded murder.  Again.. not condoning violence.. but it is completely understandable. The system failed them... so what other options do they really have... thus some will and have taken more extreme measures.

And if the younger generation doesn't pick up the fight... then the bad guys wins. Simple as that man. So yeah, I do sincerely hope your generation Brian and the new one coming of age now does see the reality of it and sees that all that Wall Street sh*t is secondary to the real problems facing this country. The fight over those problems is exactly what is... our culture war.

I guess I just don't follow fully. You admit it's a concocted load of crap, and it only became a "war" once the left, basically, started fighting back...but make it out to be THE defining issue of politics? Im just lost I think

^ Oh, there's no way it's going to last forever. It'll probably take awhile to die down - it took awhile to start up, from Roe v. Wade to the rise of Reagan to '88 to Buchanan and Gingrich, and state GOPs remain entrenched - but at the national level and in many states, the tide is turning.

“It’s absolutely a mindf**k that this is even a possibility and that a halfway educated person—not just American, but person—in their right mind can look at this train wreck and think that this is even an acceptable option,” Carol says of Trump. “I can’t even wrap my brain around it.”

I think many in the GOP have seen this is a foregone conclusion since the week after the Democratic Convention.

He had to win Democratic votes.. but was already then hemoraging GOP voters.  However  what matters of course.. are the establishments own asses... control of Congress. If Trump blows this 2nd debate.. and threatens the House perhaps... you could see him dumped.

interesting days...  interesting months... interesting year as I said way back.. This is sn election that is for the history books...  if not for winning margin... then for the gunshot wound to the head of a political party that has been around for a century and a half.  The stink of Trump will hang over them for years... for though they will blame Trump for this (note the Pence would have won BS..as if he would have ever won the nomination in the first place).. they ignore the fact that Trump just didn't appear from nowhere...  Republican voters put him there.. and they aren't going anywhere and will be back in 2020 to nominate.. god knows who.. David Duke I suppose.

micky wrote: Seems we do need a dedicated thread for this stuff... I think it is going to be one heck of an interesting year..

Edited by micky - October 07 2016 at 22:03

I agree... and see nothing to make me 2nd guess my belief that the GOP as a party is dead man walking... Trump sort of has overshadowed this is a party at war with itself.  Sooner.. rather than later.. it will split. The poor Libertarans are shackled with poor candidates but once they get their sh*t together???


The rational 'economic' conservatives and the last remants of the moderate Republican Party wing will jump ship away from the lunatics on the social right. Fully a 3rd of this country has proven itself to be... Fundemantal Christian, bigoted, racist and ..ummm...  uneducated and ignorant hahah. The same problems they had in 2016 David.. they will have in 2020.  A very divided base. .and with more opportunists candidates than you can shake a stick at... again.. they will blame Trump for this disaster.. but the underlying rage of the GOP base at its own party and establishment put him there. .and will still be there in 2020.

 America is changing.. and it is not going to white, nor christian.. but be what it should be.. a melting pot of cultures and religions.

The Democrats are all over that sh*t...  unless the GOP does finally realize it.. they will lose elections and the Presidencies .... and their majorities in Congress. First off they have their own internal problems to resolve and even if they do.. it will take years as they simply don't have a solid national leader.. and by the time they did.. they would have likely lost the hispanic vote as completely as they did the black vote.. thus they would be relegated to the status of a minority party.  They won't survive that...  the American Political system is based on having 2 viable parties...  the GOP will die if it can not win elections.


Edited by micky - October 07 2016 at 22:25

I want to call upon Donald Trump to withdraw from the Presidential race.

Here's for you micky.  Republican party won't recover until 2096...optimistically.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/1c28bc3a-2b7a-3bd6-8c40-2ac796904fc0/republican-party-could.html


Edited by rushfan4 - October 08 2016 at 16:22

HackettFan wrote: I want to call upon Donald Trump to withdraw from the Presidential race.

that is likely going to be the only remaining drama in this election.  If the RNC is giving up on him as it seems it is going to to focus time and money on saving congressiional seats then the election is over. Since early voting has already started the RNC won't ..even if they could agree on a replacement.. replace him with only 4 weeks to election day.

The question is though..  Trump himself.  We all know.. at least those not blinded by their Republican partisism that Trump has substantial personality issues...  it has been discussed .. what happens in a week when it is apparant that not only is he going to lose.. but get CRUSHED... does his pride and ego let him suffer that.. or does he cook up an excuse (for his own pride not that anyone would buy it) to withdraw.

It has been that kind of election year.. just when you think you've seen it all.... my money IS on him withdrawing prior to the election.  End of the month... his pride and  ego.. and especially his all important business 'empire' are at risk here. Though as a sidebar to all of this.. imagine the damage he has done to his business brand with this presidential run...

ouch...


Edited by micky - October 08 2016 at 17:03

rushfan4 wrote: Donald Trump is really Vince Neil all grown up.

Donald Trump is really Jani Lane all grown up