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Apsalar 
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 Posted: May 03 2007 at 22:40 |
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Unfortunately 'Top' was not on this album, it was not till M.D.K. he joined Magma. Actually I didn't know it translated to that. |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: May 03 2007 at 23:09 |
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Yes, I noticed he wasn't on it after I checked P.A. (I wasn't expecting them to be here)
What about solo albums by Magma members? |
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Unbeliever
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Joined: March 08 2006 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 11 |
Posted: May 05 2007 at 09:55 |
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hey, I didn't realise Top had his own label:
p://www.utopic-records.com/
thought you guys might be interested...
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Egbe Mi O Carry Me I Want To Die
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Jay440
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Joined: July 25 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 118 |
Posted: May 05 2007 at 11:53 |
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I think you're referring to the 2 released under the name "Fusion", with Benoit Widemann and Didier Lockwood.
They're not Zeuhl, they're Fusion albums, obviously.
The first was in the early 80's, then a boot from around 1996: I think that both have been released by Utopic.
They're pretty good, although I like the Alien Quartet better.
Both bands do great versions of the Tony Williams Lifetime's "Fred".
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Apsalar
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 11:56 |
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Yes, it seem they are on 'Top's' label [cheers rob]
VANDERTOP "PARIS 76" 1. HHAI 8'56 2. MUSIQUE DES SPHERES 21'57 3. DE FUTURA 25'38 4. TROLLER TANZ 4'19 Interested to hear what De Futura sounds like. I'm off to bed.... Edited by Black Velvet - May 05 2007 at 11:58 |
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Bilek
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VIP Member Joined: July 05 2005 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 1484 |
Posted: May 05 2007 at 13:54 |
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At first the Univeria Zekt album was rightfully listed under Magma discography. But then for some reason (the same reason for having a seperate entry for Organisation than Kraftwerk) they opened a different account for the same band
 The most important solo artist from Magma would obviously be Christian Vander, and at least part of his solo stuff (i.e. Wurdah Itah, which he himself referenced as a Magma album, and Offering projects, which are dubious as to who to be credited...) are already here... As far as I know from related sites, his other stuff has little to do with prog-rock, let alone zeuhl... They are mostly free for jazz improvisations.
Speaking of Utopic records, another Magma side project, Utopic Sporadic Orchestra has a live album full of Magma stuff (and full of Magma members, of course!), including two versions of the mid-'70's epic De Futura (originally appearing in '76's Üdü Wüdü album). Does someone think of adding the album somewhere
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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anael
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 14:33 |
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from utopic records i've heard:
Vander/Top. Best On Tour 76 Jannick Top. Soleil D'Ork <----this one a zeuhl MASTERPIECE! |
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Bilek
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 16:43 |
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You can find the curiosity items here, and here... (FYI, De Futura is in the second part, as you can predict
)For all who are interested in Jannick Top's label and the Vander Top (and related) releases, including the Utopic Sporadic Orchestra (that seems to be where the label's name comes from...), you can see the entire discography here and here... (You can also see the album covers with links on the Utopic Records frontpage, but thumbnails are quite small)
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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Faaip_De_Oiad
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Joined: March 18 2006 Status: Offline Points: 529 |
Posted: May 05 2007 at 23:33 |
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I've read his website/blog, and didn't see anything that says it (97% of it is "?" so..) But it wouldn't be shocking if he is, seeing how he and Yoshida just released an album together (Soft mountain.. Havn't heard it myself yet, but it looks good) I personally would like to see Aki Kubota come back! She play'd live with them not to long ago(if i remember correctly) ! ! |
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avestin
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Posted: May 05 2007 at 23:41 |
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SOFT MOUNTAIN is very good. A cool collaboration between Hugh Hopper, Elton Dean, Yoshida Tatsuya and Hoppy Kamiyama.
May remind of the Soft's 70's work at times.
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Syzygy
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Posted: May 06 2007 at 06:36 |
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It's a pretty good album, but the sound quality isn't great - it sounds like a cleaned up bootleg. The extended De Futura rocks.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
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rileydog22
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Joined: August 24 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 8844 |
Posted: May 09 2007 at 20:56 |
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Can someone here recommend me some Japanese zeuhl? I like several bands of the French scene, and I just got Burning Stone and Graviyaunosch by Ruins and I am starting to enjoy both albums.
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oracus
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Posted: May 09 2007 at 21:04 |
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I highly recommend Angherr Shisspa by Koenjihyakkei. BUT its really challenging music, even more than ruins :-)
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avestin
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Posted: May 09 2007 at 21:04 |
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Aside from KOENJIHYAKKEI (try Angherr Shisspa it's great) which sound like Magma Zeuhl, there are others which combine it into their overall avant-garde sound, like HAPPY FAMILY (influenced by several sources including UZ which have been affiliated and influenced by the Zeuhl scene as well as other scenes; try both of their albums), BONDAGE FRUIT (all of theirs are probably good, I only have two which I love - Bondage Fruit IV and Bondage Fruit V - Skin).
You might also like the improvisational album by DAIMONJI appropriately called Improg.
Also, check out this website:
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Minimalist777
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Joined: June 19 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 293 |
Posted: May 09 2007 at 21:09 |
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Hey sorry for the sort of off topic comment but what are the "doomiest" Zeuhl albums. I've actually only heard 4 Visions by Eskaton and 1001 Degrees Centigrades by Magma. I love that second track on 4 Visions with the minimal, foreboding, doomy bass riff! What albums/bands are equally mind blowing in that way?
Cheers!
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WWOSD?
What Would OliverStoned Do? |
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avestin
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Posted: May 09 2007 at 21:14 |
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Off the top of my head I got to think of EIDER STELLAIRE but it's out of print and the albums have leaked throughout the net.
Any of their 3 released albums (there's a 4th unreleased) is very good, all of almost equal qaulity (to me that is).
There's probably more that I am not thinking of right now... This is why we have Adam.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: May 09 2007 at 21:25 |
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Shub Niggurath - La Mort Vont Vites
That's a very gloomy zeuhl album indeed! Also check out their later albums. Also try some non-zeuhl RIO, like Univers Zero - 1313 or Heresie and Present - Triskaidékaphobie and Le Poison Qui Rend Fou. Coincidently, "Triskaidekaphobia" is actually the fear of the number 13. Is it also a coincidence that UZ's debut was called 1313? Maybe Present were saying fear 1313 and listen to Triskaidékaphobie instead.  Unlikely, I know... Edited by Geck0 - May 09 2007 at 21:28 |
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Minimalist777
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Posted: May 09 2007 at 22:12 |
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Sounds good thanks for the recomendations. I have a zeuhl compilation CD a forum poster burned for me (is she around anymore? she had a Koenji avatar, dont remember the name) that has two Eider Stellaire tracks. I still havent listened to it yet, dont know why. Ill try Univers Zero and Shub Niggurath
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WWOSD?
What Would OliverStoned Do? |
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Apsalar
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Posted: May 09 2007 at 23:07 |
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Besides the aforemention bands, a few more to add to the list.
Pseu brought out s/t album in 2004, which is stunning. Very much along the lines of the 4 Visions. The album was orginally recorded between 1979 and 1982. If you want dark minimal kraut-esque Zeuhl, you will love Archaia [unfortunately OPP at the moment]. Have a read of Rocktopus's review: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=101439 Also sometime considered Zeuhl are the recent UK band Guapo, dark brooding with almost post rock cressendos [with a lot more power] |
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avestin
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Posted: May 09 2007 at 23:44 |
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Good call, can't believe I missed it.
First of all, Martin, listen to Adam and James, both have very good suggestions.
If you go for PSEU (which is a good idea) then I guess UPPSALA and even WEIDORJE will be good ideas (though I am not sure about the "doomy" aspect of those two, but it still very good music).
ARCHAÏA might also please him, that's right. I personally don't like it much, but it answer the demands set.
KULTIVATOR is also a good place to look into and they should receive a reissue this year, of their only album.
There is another band, called YETI which is a weird mix of metal, and avant which includes some Zeuhlish characteristics in their Volume, Obliteration, Transcendence. It can be heavy at times (not metal heavy, but heavy, and somewhat depressive mood) which might answer your demands, though sample it first.
Another one is XAAL which of their two releases, I'd go for Seconde Ere.
Oh and Martin, on another note, have you tried PANZERPAPPA? Their two last (which are now the only two available) are great and accessible prog with some influences of UZ, SMM and other greats of the genre. Just listen to the bass and rhythm in the second track,Koralrevens Klagesang II , on Koralrevens Klagesang.
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