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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2010 at 11:42
The hivemind has been unbearable about wikileaks the past week. No, I'm not canceling my Amazon and Paypal account, and if you're upset at them you're dumb, shut up.

Because people weren't already mad enough at him. 
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Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

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Quote......"We need to be un-American and execute anyone responsible for these leaks getting out"
Christ, I find the un-American aspect to that statement to be insulting. Who are you considering when you say we would be un-American in pulling off such an act? Un-American? Un-American compared to what? Assange not being an on-going mystery to the U.S. and actions not applied by the administration in the past with this creep annoy me personally anyway. Now the U.S. efforts to bust this guy on so-called criminal offenses are considered a political stunt? Don't you find what you read in the press a bit revolting or just plain stupied? The a-hole who has put the lives of children in danger is a journalist and criminalising journalistic activity is the way to go in this case. He is a worm.GeekAnd Manning with his Lady Gaga cd? This is insulting press!LOL  He is a traitor for sure but, I have to laugh at the coverage on this geek.....He erased his Gaga cd and downloaded confidential information?LOLWhistleblowers and Lady Gaga?LOL Assange warns that any goverment that tries to curtail his activities risks triggering a new deluge of state and commercial secrets?LOL  What? You must be joking?  What are we talking about here? This is all just good PRESS!    Assange needs to be caught anyway regardless of all the pathetic news reports which I personally find repulsive. It's like I'm watching "Saturday Night Live" It's like journalistic geek hiding in the U.K. verses our administration.  Stop the press!    Do what you have to do! Put Manning to do hard time in a military prison and Assange the rock star can be executed! And then lets get back to the real world and take care of problems that are so much more important. 


You do realize Assange has committed no crime? The supreme court has upheld his right to do what he is doing. 


Why would it be legal in your book? He is a hacker. Is that legal? He is an anarchist with a huge ego. What has Wikileaks done for liberty or democracy?


Why would it be legal? It would be legal because it is legal. The supreme court has affirmed this. Sorry if you disagree, but I'm just stating facts. Assange is not a hacker. He is disseminating information which he legally obtained. The leaker is the one who would be able to prosecuted. 


He is an anarchist with a huge ego. Last I checked that's no crime.


Now what has Wikileaks done for our liberty. A lot? It's provided concrete evidence of the hubris of our government, the illicit activities it has participated in, shown the massive contradictions in our foreign policy, and detailed the murderous actions of our government abroad. To any honest, knowledgeable person, these things were already painfully obvious, but bringing them into full light gives them new power. A blow to government is a boast to your liberty.


What has it done for democracy? Who the hell cares? But again it has done plenty along the same lines as that above. Our government acts with callous disregard and disdain for its people. If that's the 'democracy' you want to worship then I have little to say to you.


I'm sorry for the rant but it is the way I believe. I can't buy into what you are saying. I have been around too many liberals who indulge in conspiracy theories about our goverment. 9/11 and it just escalates into insanity. They take every freak or un-explainable detail of the tragic 9/11 and run with it. How could 3 guys learn how to fly a plane but refuse in learning how to land it.....like as if to say these things are definitely pre-planned. I simply don't agree with Assange's intentions to reveal information to civilians that (as you say), are already painfully obvious. Which I have considered all of this, however, I can't agree with releasing U.S. secret documents. It personally doesn't sit right with me. He has made recent threats to the  American goverment and I'm sure that you are aware of them. If it seems ridiculous to people?..fine  If he is bluffing?...fine. But he makes threats like a dictator would. Same mentality. 
 

A blow to goverment is a boast to your liberty? I'm not even going to argue with you. You should consider Assange before you have set ideas on this. If it's truly the way you feel then ....it is your right. I don't disrespect your right to believe in what you want. But why do you seem so trust worthy or completely keen on defending this guy? I'm not going to continue to debate on our goverment with you. We have an opposite belief system.


From what I can gather the greatest damage done by all these leaks is done to the trust the people have in their politicians to not be lying, scheming devious sh*theads. The whole 'national security' card is played by the authorities when they wish to discredit the source of information leaks.

The latest leak regarding the US and NATO reinforcing the baltic states against Russian invasion, tickled me. Does anyone think the Russians didn't know about this?? The fact that it was reported in Pravda and Russia Today (RT) over a year ago, will come as a big surpise to anyone who thinks what they see on the tea time news is really whats going on in the world.

BTW, I thought it was the 'Libertarians' who peddled 9/11 conspiracy theories, and that the Liberals were part of the conspiracy. Oh well, I guess it depends who you ask.
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Points: 3252 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2010 at 07:56
WHISKY LEAKS IN MY MOUTH IS GOOD
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Points: 24598 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2010 at 10:31
Speaking of the hivemind Henry, it seems they've now begun.
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2010 at 16:21
 
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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2010 at 19:49
Man Sweeden has ridiculous laws. Being arrested for having a condom break and not wearing one during sex? f**k man. That country would suck. 
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Points: 34055 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 11:34
are Wikileaks now blocked in USA just wondering, jut read somthing about it on the new
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Points: 3126 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 11:40
Now the process is being broken down through fantastic coverage by the press at large. The people who disagree with Assange  exposing illegal documents are  predicting a 2 year  course of legal procedures before justice is served.. Many who feel he is a threat to the U.S. are stating that bringing him in on these accounts is the legal method or procedure to eventually convict him of the release of secret documents. Like as if, the rape charge means nothing in the real world other than to be used as a vehicle to proceed in turning him over to the U.S. and further  convicting him of treason or espionage. The rape charge would normally seem rather meaningless to the U.S. justice system considering the recent coverage of the so-called facts.
 
. Many who agree with Assange's view and justify his actions, disagree with his method of procedures which is far from favouritism and  appearing to be more hypocritical. Then there are die-hard Assange followers everywhere who feel he has brought the world justice. I knew if he was busted, that the news media would turn it into a circus. It was just a matter of time really. I follow the news story everyday like a nut and it seems too much of a mixed bag. I feel like a hypocrite myself and with an extremest attitude towards either side.    
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Points: 34055 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 11:51
I am not Assange follower just curious being that don't seem the wrong about releasing documents, transparency is important in democracys and for western countries whom have fought for freedom of spech from 1000 years of supression/domination from Roman Catolisisme, feudal system, class systems, Napolic Wars, national sosialisme and such, Europe is build upon war upon war, where only transparency can hold the nations here at hold and discuss things (even if diplomacy is a slow prosses, it don't aquire guns, only white gloves Tongue) 
 
it takes alot to make a European to wrinckle on his nose, and have had 4 or 5 more terror attacs after the two whom hitted US between 9/11 and that 2010 inisdent 


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Points: 3126 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 12:37
He could spend a year in Britain fighting extradition. The 2 women with the sex crime allegations are insisting they have nothing to do with anything political. Anything politcally motivated. Everyone is in question. Limbo.
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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 15:43
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

are Wikileaks now blocked in USA just wondering, jut read somthing about it on the new
It's been under a DDoS attack for a week or so, Wikileaks.org can't be loaded anywhere. However, you can still view the content here. Julian Assange is doing his best Jimmy Wales impression there, it's equally unnerving.
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Like as if, the rape charge means nothing in the real world other than to be used as a vehicle to proceed in turning him over to the U.S. and further  convicting him of treason or espionage. The rape charge would normally seem rather meaningless to the U.S. justice system considering the recent coverage of the so-called facts.
He's not actually being charged with rape, but I agree, the charge that he's facing would not be taken seriously pretty much anywhere else. The insurance file has been circulating for a while, I'm not sure why people are just now reporting on it, but it would be pretty entertaining if they released the key to it while he was in jail.
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Points: 3126 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 17:01

Oh no,....what the hell did I say? Busted? Assange turned himself in. Like Walter says to Moshkito....lay off the weed Toddler. One of my buddies was out spoken today and said.....I believe in the cause for Assange but, he needs to be more serious with the information he releases. His release of documents contained worthless crap and is merely just an embarrassment. Apparently H. Clinton didn't think so. Her claim was that the info was risking the lives of military officers and agents.....Who knows?
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 17:38
People claim Wikileaks releasing documents could lead to the deaths of American soldiers.

Know what else leads to the death of American soldiers? A decade long unwinnable war in a region that hates us for being there.

Some things it can be dumb for Wikileaks to release (informants' names, spy names, key strategic targets for people to attack if they want to hurt America), but I'm damn pissed off people have the audacity to feign they give a sh*t about the military when they're happy as pigs in sh*t to have an all volunteer force of young boys to go fight for our own imperialistic adventures. Come off it. The don't give a sh*t who dies over there as long as it's not their sons.


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Thank you Stoney. The people touting that line act like they give a sh*t about soldiers lives when they send them off nation building in foreign lands for no tangible reason.

Also, it has been admitted that the first leaks led to the death of absolutely nobody. I'm sure we'll see the same from this one.
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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 18:12
Anonymous once again takes the most sane, logical course of action. Good Job on Huffington Post preserving the link, although it seems Pastebin has taken it down.
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Points: 16913 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 18:37
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Thank you Stoney. The people touting that line act like they give a sh*t about soldiers lives when they send them off nation building in foreign lands for no tangible reason.



@ Pat So people concerned about Wiki or who disagree with it are automatically disingenuous in whatever moral support they may offer the military....another swing and a miss Pat. 

@ Pat/Stone: It's OK for you guys to oppose the wars, but WTF is this leap you both make that people who don't agree with you are automatically callous as regard the soldiers very lives....some might be I'd agree....but your statements of across the board generalizing are no more intellectually impressive than the flag-wavers you criticize.  
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Thank you Stoney. The people touting that line act like they give a sh*t about soldiers lives when they send them off nation building in foreign lands for no tangible reason.



@ Pat So people concerned about Wiki or who disagree with it are automatically disingenuous in whatever moral support they may offer the military....another swing and a miss Pat. 

@ Pat/Stone: It's OK for you guys to oppose the wars, but WTF is this leap you both make that people who don't agree with you are automatically callous as regard the soldiers very lives....some might be I'd agree....but your statements of across the board generalizing are no more intellectually impressive than the flag-wavers you criticize.  

1) If you support our foreign policy and complain that Wikileaks could endanger soldiers lives, then you are hypocritical. Home run actually. 

2) Could you explain how it isn't callous? Keeping soldiers engaged in quagmires to be slowly murdered sounds like a careless treatment of life to me.
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I don't think I have any gas left in the can for this one Pat, I understand your point well enough.  Still think you're full of poop on the other one though, unless Philly is night and day from here.  Maybe it is, I haven't been there since the 70s. 

Don't know where the feistiness came from today, must have been the Indian food.  I'm going back to my hole now. 
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

People claim Wikileaks releasing documents could lead to the deaths of American soldiers.

Know what else leads to the death of American soldiers? A decade long unwinnable war in a region that hates us for being there.

Some things it can be dumb for Wikileaks to release (informants' names, spy names, key strategic targets for people to attack if they want to hurt America), but I'm damn pissed off people have the audacity to feign they give a sh*t about the military when they're happy as pigs in sh*t to have an all volunteer force of young boys to go fight for our own imperialistic adventures. Come off it. The don't give a sh*t who dies over there as long as it's not their sons.
Something to consider. Thanks for that point. It clears the air quite a bit for me.
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Points: 3281 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2010 at 05:23
My feeling is that not only are they going to stitch Assange up, they're not even going to be smooth or subtle about it. They will kangaroo court him and not do all that great a job of covering it up on purpose, because they want you to know he's been kangaroo courted in order to intimidate those who might otherwise copy him.
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