Most overrated albums

King Winter wrote: That's true, In The Court is more influential than "Masterpiece"... Most interesting albums from KC are in the 72-74 period.

In The Court of the Crimson King might not be their best work, but it's really masterpiece in it's time and very influential.
I do not think it's overrated, anyway.


Edited by nima1024 - May 30 2012 at 14:46

rogerthat wrote: moshkito wrote:   I find this sad ... there is a side to this collaboration that is very progressive to ALL music at the time, and made it magnificent, and we're too damn cynical and stuck up on our "definition" to appreciate what Michael did in mixing black and white music ... which in those days was MASSIVE.   For the record, I had seen many concerts, from Earth Wind and Fire, to James Brown, to Little Richard, and many other "black" musicians ... and you want to know something? ... the audience was 95% black! And when you went to see Michael Jackson, it was 50% black ... and the rest all white. Only 10 years earlier a peaceful black man was shot for his revolutionary ideas in America ... that because he had a dream that made sense ... could't happen because of monster politics and people that did not believe in the freedom for those folks and their music!   I admire Michael Jackson's flair for music but I DO NOT respect his white-ification of funk or Whitney Houston's white-ification of R&B.  He was ashamed of his colour and he also just wanted to be a superstar. Music was a suitable vehicle for this, given his talent in that direction.  Stevie Wonder was somebody who actually did something to bring R&B closer to the white mainstream without compromising his beliefs and values.  He stood for black emancipation all through. Jackson just sold out.  It's no wonder that nobody takes R&B seriously anymore since then because he watered it down irreparably.

 

Overrated is an empty word. It means something that is as unfathomable and rare as a well-meaning pineapple in a tie telling you about the credit crunch. It's all nonsense. Overrated? Underrated? If we're talking about whether one 'likes' or 'dislikes' an album everybody else seems to have the opposite meaning of, then it suddenly becomes overrated or underrated? I find that beyond narcissistic - that is an example of one's own rating/measuring stick/opinion becoming the 'right' one - and evidently the lone blade of grass in a world of insane music fans who happen to adore Pink Floyd's Animals. How wrong they are eh? Don't they know it's overrated?

Follix wrote: And I thought I was a music snob... I disagree with most people here especially about ITCOTCK, Dark Side and Animals. As some people said earlier I can't see how prog can be overrated since all we hear on radio is Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber and Katy Perry.

Just because I think In The Court Of The Crimson King is overrated, doesn't mean I'm a snob. Even with it's flaws and unneeded praise, I still think it's one of their better albums. If I ever get to writing a review, I'd give it a solid
out of the rating.

Guldbamsen wrote: a well-meaning pineapple in a tie telling you about the credit crunch.

How any of us can be angry after having read the above just defeats me

ExittheLemming wrote: Guldbamsen wrote: a well-meaning pineapple in a tie telling you about the credit crunch. How any of us can be angry after having read the above just defeats me

Agree with VDGG, especially has I've never got into their concept!

nima1024 wrote: @moshkito: You really need to see a psychologist, you are really crazy. :))))))))

moshkito wrote:   Point well taken ... however, when we listen to music today, there is not that big a number of black musicians doing rock music in this vein or in more advanced or different veins. It's all rap, jazz or some R&B ... and that suggests that even there, there is a stigma and a problem with people trying to do something different.   In the end, this is bad ... and will prevent a new Jimi Hendrix  from coming up ... perhaps that is just what we need, because that Lenny guy is as original as any wrapping paper you ever saw! And we need more folks that tell the commercial thing to bite it ... and do something else.   I really think that Michael tried hard ... but his family was the bigger problem ... they all were too much into that black thing that was instilled into them in Detroit some 100 years ago ... and those folks literally killed him a lot more than anyone else. His mom and dad gladly took the money from Thriller, so they not liking or allowing Michael to do his thing, would/could/should not be an issue ... but it was not as black as anyone else ... I still say ... so what? But I think that he walked himself into a corner that made it hard for him to get out, and after a while so many people needed money and wanted a part of him ... and he didn't know how to let them loose!   It was like that movie "The Man Who Fell To Earth" ... your company has gotten so big, that we can't let you do the things that you think you need to do anymore!     I just feel bad that a very talented person was basically done away with ... and they are reaping his money for as long as they can ... and I find that sad ... to the point that I can't even watch the first minute of that last DVD his ... the whole thing is just so ... let's say that "the horror ... the horror ... the ugliness ... " is almost nothing compared to this!   I always hate to see talent wasted! Regardless of where and who and when! And I work to emsure that those folks have a better chance, if I ever can ... it's too easy to get caught in the fame and lose your sight and way ... and sometimes I think Michael did lose his way ... the how and why is not as important to any of us. But what he did, and his legacy that was left behind ... is too important to be ignored, and I think it deserves mention ... for the things he did right, and in my scales of justice, he did more right than wrong!

Well, there never really has been another black since Hendrix to make such a big splash in rock.   So I wonder if he was just a one off who successfully crossed over from blues.  There have been some talented black musicians in rock since then, but nobody as influential (but maybe there can only be one Hendrix in a given genre).   As for why they don't seem to play rock or other 'white' genres, I think America's obsession with format music is to blame for that and I don't know how that is going to change.  And considering that whites do play in supposedly black genres like jazz, R&B or hip hop, there may still be some fears of racial discrimination.  I have heard how, outside the confines of this benevolent forum, some progheads write off ladies as mere eye candy so I would not particularly recommend either ladies or blacks to have anything to do with rock unless they are, regrettably, too deeply in love with it or something like that.

Coming back to MJ, yes, he lost his way and he probably didn't get a whole lot of sound advice.  He may have been led into doing things that suited certain interests (though this is all only conjecture and I have no doubt MJ would have to take the lion's share of the blame for what he did to himself).  But a man so obsessed with fame and stardom, would he have really made such a huge difference, artistically, to music, I wonder.  MJ worked with Quincy Jones to write songs that would be surefire hits and whittled down 60 or so songs to the few that made it to Thriller. 

Maybe I am just looking at this rather romantically, but a Hendrix or Wonder seem to me to have been more intuitive and more interested in matters of the heart.  I tend to think that because MJ became so popular, he became important or he may have been remembered as just another successful and incredibly talented pop musician.   A look at Prince's career, who was hugely successful but much less so than MJ, suggests that this might be the case.     


Edited by rogerthat - June 02 2012 at 12:47