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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:02
If hypothetically there was a God, how long would his day last?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:04
Wait, let me call him.



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OK, he says 33.3 repeating seconds. Funny sense of humor, God has.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:04
A little poem I wrote on the subject:
 
The Judge's Hammer
 
The Scientist in his lab coat
Takes his place before the supreme judge
To question what the ancients wrote
The facts they may have fudged
 
The creationist makes his own way
To helm of the blind
To twist the facts of science that day
For the sake of Intelligent design
 
As the Judge enters, the crowd all stand
In awe of all he knows
All bets are off, now held in the hand
Of the designer the creationist proposed
 
The Scientist presents evidence
The creationist doesn't understand
Whether by will or lack of common sense
He dismisses it out of hand
 
The God of the gaps explains all
The creationist manages in straight voice
Though the idea itself is laughable
When presented as a valid choice
 
The creationist treads paths well worn
Meandering around truth to defend his stance
Thus his ultimate argument is born
Through his own sheer ignorance
 
But when God lets the hammer fall
Indicating the matter's final end
He gives the message out to all
That the truth simply cannot bend
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:05
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

You could make this a lot easier to read by not having those quote pyramids, and just continuing discussion in another post.
    
 
Ok, I'll stop.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:05
His day would last however long it takes the planet he's on to revolve around the sun his planet revolves around.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:07
And if God lived outside our known universe, how long would his day be? What would define his day?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:08
God wouldn't have days, because days are defined by constraints that only exist in our known universe.  And he wouldn't call them days, anyway.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:10
He might. He is God after all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:12
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

If hypothetically there was a God, how long would his day last?

There is an old story about eternity I like very much. Somewhere in a distant land there is a high mountain completely made of diamond. To this mountain every 10000 years a little bird flies and sharpens its beak on it. And when the whole mountain has finally been used up, then one second of eternity has passed.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:14
nice poem.

The Scientist presents evidence
The creationist doesn't understand
Whether by will or lack of common sense
He dismisses it out of hand

I think you got that wrong there, it's the other way around, it's the scientist that dismisses the philosophical creation out of hand, while the creationists, adapts his phylisophical views on creation to include scientific facts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:16
^^^
 
Not the creationists I know.  They dismiss all new scientific evidence (not just about creation) and accept only the bible.
 
Also, Michael Behe, a creationist, once said in court that some subject never had been researched, was presented with 58 papers on the subject, and dismissed them as "insignificant" because they supported evolution and not creationism.
 
I'm glad you liked the poem.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:17
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

If hypothetically there was a God, how long would his day last?

There is an old story about eternity I like very much. Somewhere in a distant land there is a high mountain completely made of diamond. To this mountain every 10000 years a little bird flies and sharpens its beak on it. And when the whole mountain has finally been used up, then one second of eternity has passed.
 
So then, eternity is technically finite?Wink
 
 
Or does the bird just die?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:19
Originally posted by inpraiseoffolly inpraiseoffolly wrote:

^^^
 

Not the creationists I know.  They dismiss all new scientific evidence (not just about creation) and accept only the bible.

 

Also, Michael Behe, a creationist, once said in court that some subject never had been researched, was presented with 58 papers on the subject, and dismissed them as "insignificant" because they supported evolution and not creationism.

 

I'm glad you liked the poem.

    

But don't scientist do the same way with the bible, calling it irrelevant for it isn't scientifically proven.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:19
It's a story, k? The bird live forever. Just like that Oasis song.

"We're gonna live foreveeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:20
It's actually a different bird every 1000 years btw.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:22
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Originally posted by inpraiseoffolly inpraiseoffolly wrote:

^^^
 

Not the creationists I know.  They dismiss all new scientific evidence (not just about creation) and accept only the bible.

 

Also, Michael Behe, a creationist, once said in court that some subject never had been researched, was presented with 58 papers on the subject, and dismissed them as "insignificant" because they supported evolution and not creationism.

 

I'm glad you liked the poem.

    

But don't scientist do the same way with the bible, calling it irrelevant for it isn't scientifically proven.  Science can't prove anything, we've been over this...
 
Exactly, scientists dismiss what isn't scientifically supported (and also that actively goes against what has been scientifically supported).  Creationists throw out science, neglecting the fact that it works, not only in evolution, but also when we send rocket ships up into space and the like.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:33
I know nothing can be scientifically proven, facts are only facts as long as you consider them facts, they are disputable, debatabble and open to interpretation, it's just my english isn't very good, so i have to make due with the vocabulary I have.

anyway.

Creationist don't throw out science (not the kind I belong to), i just don't think science is objective.

Science measures only what it wants to meisure, and by meisuring they are forcing the outcome to be what they are meisuring, neglecting the fact that other thruths are also factual if another meisuring device is used (photon's can be forced to act as partical's or waves, depending on the meisuring technique, and for electrons the same apply's) (Heisenberg's uncertainty principle)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:45
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

I know nothing can be scientifically proven, facts are only facts as long as you consider them facts, they are disputable, debatabble and open to interpretation, it's just my english isn't very good  you're english is just fine, so i have to make due with the vocabulary I have. well, try supported or evidenced next time.

anyway.

Creationist don't throw out science (not the kind I belong to)  yours is a rare breed, i just don't think science is objective.

Science measures only what it wants to meisure, and by meisuring they are forcing the outcome to be what they are meisuring, neglecting the fact that other thruths are also factual if another meisuring device is used (photon's can be forced to act as partical's or waves, depending on the meisuring technique, and for electrons the same apply's) (Heisenberg's uncertainty principle)  All of this science has discovered, I may remind you.  Science doesn't find out only what it wants to find out... physics wouldn't work if that were the case.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 17:00
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

I know nothing can be scientifically proven, facts are only facts as long as you consider them facts, they are disputable, debatabble and open to interpretation, it's just my english isn't very good, so i have to make due with the vocabulary I have.

anyway.

Creationist don't throw out science (not the kind I belong to), i just don't think science is objective.

Science measures only what it wants to meisure, and by meisuring they are forcing the outcome to be what they are meisuring, neglecting the fact that other thruths are also factual if another meisuring device is used (photon's can be forced to act as partical's or waves, depending on the meisuring technique, and for electrons the same apply's) (Heisenberg's uncertainty principle)

You confuse Heisenberg's uncertainty principle (which states that we can never measure momentum and location of a particle exactly at the same time) with the wave/particle paradoxon of light and electrons.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 17:13
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:



You confuse Heisenberg's uncertainty principle (which states that we can never measure momentum and location of a particle exactly at the same time) with the wave/particle paradoxon of light and electrons.


    
No they are the same phenomenon as far as I understand it.




    Uncertainty principle

Edited by tuxon - January 25 2007 at 17:18
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