Does Miles Davis belong in Prog? |
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Davesax1965
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 09:57 | |
There's a link on YouTube where Miley Cyrus's backing band play "Cygnus X-1" on stage for a laugh and to confuse the audience.
Better get her in the archives, then. ;-) |
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Kati
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 10:01 | |
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Rednight
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 10:04 | |
Great song defiled by the back-up band of a no-talent. Go blog her site with this info.
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Kati
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 10:11 | |
Rednight, by referring to her, I think I am the only one here to be referred as her. I do not have a blog and you are not a nice person either.
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rocko
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 10:13 | |
wasn't that Katy Perry's band? |
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Argonaught
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 10:27 | |
Not too many people here on PA would know the difference between Mileys Cygnus and a pet armadillo
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Evolver
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 10:48 | |
N'Sync's band played "Tom Sawyer". So What? (get it?)
Tell me how that constitutes releasing a prog album. We all seem to be in agreement that Miles was primarily a jazz musician. That is not the point. And although a large majority of his albums have absolutely nothing to do with fusion, quite a few do - much more than 1 or 2. And while Davesax is correct about Miles being a disagreeable person, I feel he is being presumptuous about the man, and about jazz in general. Miles may not have wanted to be labeled as a prog musician, but I got the impression, from my personal experience (as an assistant to the producer at some major jazz festivals - a title much more impressive than the actual job) was that he wanted his music to defy any labels. And when I told him that my friends and I were huge fans of his fusion albums, which opened out eyes to his and other artists' jazz albums, he actually seemed happy to speak to me. And he certainly wasn't running from his association with fusion. |
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Angelo
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 11:10 | |
Hmmmm... I think he meant Miley, Kati, not you.
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Davesax1965
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 11:16 | |
I'm wrong !! Katy Perry. Apologies, all. :-)
Argonaught is right, I was trying to male multitask at the time. My question to him now is who the hell IS Katy Perry ? I am 49. ;-)
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Davesax1965
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 11:17 | |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tG-K2TXk_w
They ARE actually playing it. ;-) |
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 13:31 | |
But there is no "jazz and jazz fusion" category here at PA...
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Drew Fisher
https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 13:34 | |
I just don't feel the "Rock" in Miles music like I do in Nucleus, Mahavishnu, RTF, and even Herbie.
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Drew Fisher
https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 13:37 | |
But PA has "Jazz-Rock/Fusion" as its category, not "fusion jazz" or "experimental jazz. " I see many groups turned away because they lack the "rock" element in their music. Does Miles "rock" There is the alternative site, JazzArchives.com for jazz artists. Does Miles music belong in Prog? |
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Drew Fisher
https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 13:45 | |
Some good points here, Micky. Regarding your last paragraph: I've watched as PA has gradually expanded its borders by including groups like Queen, Led Zeppelin, Journey, etc., which had some albums with some prog-like songs. I, however, fail to hear this "progginess" in Miles Davis' music--not like I do in other artists mentioned above that have that "rock" feel like Nucleus, Mahavishnu, RTF, and Hancock and Metheny. I think by having 6 Miles albums occupy spots in the All-Time Top 250 studio albums list, PA is saying that Miles is prog--especially since those albums span a 20 year span. I think he is a jazz artist. Period.
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Drew Fisher
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 13:46 | |
But there isn't a "Jazz/Rock/Fusion" sub-genre here at PA. It is "Jazz-Rock/Fusion"!!!
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Drew Fisher
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 13:57 | |
Benefit: 6 prog artists could have the spots now occupied by Kind of Blue (from 1959 for God's sake!), In a Silent Way, Bitches Brew, Milestones (1958), A Tribute to Jack Johnson, and 'Round about Midnight (1957).
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Drew Fisher
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Argonaught
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 14:38 | |
She must have been named after the KT66, although I am hearing she is not entirely kinkless
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TODDLER
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 17:40 | |
Because Miles Davis didn't create the style of music found in Nucleus, Mahavishnu, RTF. and Herbie. He created new ideas for music that influenced Mahavishnu and RTF to write a fusion style leaning more toward Rock..just as Tony Williams did with Alan Holdsworth on the Tony Williams Lifetime sessions. Miles Davis DID have a Rock feel about his music regarding some of his grooves and the accents placed upon them, but it was more in the shadows when compared to the mid to late 70's Fusion bands. Besides,..they weren't influenced by the Rock side or the fusing of Jazz and Rock together as much as they were with Miles Davis' ideas that felt like a religion. All his ideas from what he heard in his head were like a collection of unorthodox methods contained in a book. It was the ideas that influenced Weather Report and others to approach composition as they learned or were exposed to it in the Miles Davis school. That's why some Weather Report albums are atmospheric sounding in various pieces and creating an instrumental storytelling style to the album in it's entirety. On a Miles Davis recording, you would hear scattered improvisation , but once you thought that the album may have been just about that, the music would deceive you by changing a pattern and drifting off into some cosmic avant-garde soundscape. I believe Miles Davis influenced people to write differently rather than placing his influence in Jazz/Fusion. He was the innovator of Jazz Fusion , but also created ideas that musicians applied in their own music, but just in a different way. The listener wouldn't know if the idea had been created by Miles Davis. Music is not always that revealing and especially with an innovator like Miles Davis.
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zravkapt
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 17:49 | |
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Kati
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 21:10 | |
I am so embarrassed right now Rednight please accept my sincere apologies, I am a nincompoop and completely misunderstood who you were talking about. I feel very bad and I am very sorry for typing that above. You are a very nice person. I would hug but don't think you are much impressed with me right now.
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