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AtomicCrimsonRush 
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 Posted: October 20 2008 at 23:19 |
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I try to ensure all my reviews are different in some way and at times I can be technical as far as music and time signatures (Topographic, Close to the Edge), then at times I want to just have fun (Ziltoid), at other times I review each track with detail (In the Court of the Crimson King). Some I hate (Love Beach), some I love (Pawn Hearts). I find myself using the same word too much to describe tracks - the word quintessential is often used and other terms. It is not difficult to remain fresh but its worth trying.
The point is to be honest and not swayed by others rave reviews when you personally think it stinks...
Typos are inevitable tho I try to write them on word first....
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Easy Money
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Posted: October 20 2008 at 23:49 |
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I try to include as many gratuitous references to Stockhausen, Sun Ra and Jimi Hendrix as I can. Xennakis, Ravel, Stravinsky and Les Baxter have to substitute occaisonally. I used to like to name drop Miles Davis, but now that he is on PA, that's become pointless.
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NotAProghead
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Posted: October 27 2008 at 19:25 |
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IMHO here is one more confirmation of the rule 'Silence is gold':
PINK FLOYD — Obscured By Clouds
Review by SouthSideoftheSky (Fritz-Anton) Prog Reviewer
Also, I think that the songs on this album are not memorable at all, and some are even outright boring. The sonic quality of the recording is also not up to par with Meddle and Atom Heart Mother and certainly not with Dark Side Of The Moon and Wish You Were Here. This album sounds more like it was made by a decent amateur band in the late 60’s than by a big professional band in the early 70’s. This one is only for completionists |
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 00:54 |
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Good review - I personally do not like Pink Floyd's excursion into movie soundtracks
tho Zabriskie Point had some excellent ideas on the film soundtrack I guess.
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Ricochet
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 10:48 |
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Just saw this in the RRT
...right! 1. where does the reviewer tell people what [sic, probably how] to rate a prog rock record? (EDIT: oh, I guess the fragment "should not be too highly regarded" is in question here...) 2. if we agree on each person rating the album according to their liking, where did the reviewer go wrong? Isn't his negative review of the album "his own view"?  (Hugues should be instead sanctioned for early under-50 words reviews. You fixed your IQ mini-rants yet, Hugues?  )Edited by Ricochet - November 19 2008 at 10:52 |
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 10:54 |
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i do not see anything wrong with the opinion of Hugues., if he do not like the album i respect his opinion but i do not agree with him.
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 10:55 |
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Personally i love that album, it have very good songs for me
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: November 24 2008 at 21:49 |
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Fair enough
i actually saw Zabriskie Point yesterday on cable and what a mess of a movie it is! The only good thing about it was Pink Floyds music - the opening credits and the explosive finale which is actually 'Careful with that Axe Eugene' anyway
that song is one of the most chilling in the canon!
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horticulture52
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Posted: November 30 2008 at 08:54 |
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I'd like to post a response to Grobsch's (aka Flavio's) review of Edensong's album the Fruit Fallen.
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=191095 I think the review should be removed for the following reasons: 1) It goes against guideline # 1 in it's use of English. The English is very broken and the places where the reviewer doesn't seem to be using an online translator fails to back up concrete reasons why they dislike the album. Also, the reviewer has used a phrase I wouldn't consider English to describe the band. That phrase is "tim-tam-tum." This can not be found in the dictionary and even if if looked up online can only be found on sites in Italian and Portugese. The reviewer is from Brazil, go figure. Also, when the reviewer tries to back up his/her reasons, the English is incomprehensible. the reviewer says: Most people forgot what was progressive in the past. Just add a flute behind the vocalist - which cannot stop to sing a second - please stop to sing!! What does this mean? That a singer should stop to sing for a little when a flute is playing in the background or that the flute shouldn't be playing when a singer is singing?!?! Does adding a flute while the vocalist sings make it progressive rock of the past or is it the opposite? This is completely incoherent. I'm thoroughly confused. 2) It goes against guideline #4. It is not intelligent and not considerate because it fails to back up why the album is "annoying," refers to the album as a "practical joke," with no basis for why, and continues to compare the album in levels of annoyingness. Here is one example. The reviewer states: The second song is called The Baptism and its as annoying as the first one. This is the only remark the reviewer has about the song Baptism. When the reviewer described the "first one," comments like, "Neo Pop Annoying Prog with Rush resemblances and other instruments like flute,"were made and do not help reviewers understand the piece. What does "neo pop annoying prog," mean, and how does it resemble Rush? What if the reader doesn't know Rush. The Rush resemblance should be described. Then the reviewer comments on the 4th song saying, " When I reached the fourth song, The Prayer, even though is less annoying but still far from being a good song, I was almost giving up. I started to think I got the wrong album. Perhaps it was a pratical joke somene did to me." The reviewer has yet again clung to the annoying level comparative strategy, claims it's far from being a good song without basis, and tops it off with lines that reference listening to the wrong album or it being a practical joke. I'm sorry, that's just terrible commentary. 3) Lastly, this review goes against guideline's 5, 6, and 7. #5 Keep the review pertinent to the specific album concerned. The reviewer says, "I miss Gentle Giant," randomly without making any comparison to Edensong. #6 - This doesn't even benefit a reader who wouldn't like this album. It is useless, as it makes general statements like ," The Sith Day, the sixty song, the same, just the same." (I guess referring to the same tim-tam-tum sound as the predecessor piece). The reviewer should also check their English here as a reader might interpret this piece as a reference to Star Wars (The Sith Day?) with a sixties style to it (sixty song?). The song is called the Sixth Day and is the sixth song on the album. Guidline #7- I doubt this review will make sense within five years today. It doesn't even make sense now with all of the reasons I have stated. I hope you consider my response and request to move this outrageous and incoherent review of Edensong's album the Fruit Fallen. Thank you very much. |
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Easy Money
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Posted: November 30 2008 at 09:03 |
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Hi Horticulture 52 and welcome to PA. I read the review, it is not one of the best, and the English is a bit 'broken', but overall I think he stated his case against the album as best he could and I could not find any flagrant violation of PA rules. Using phrases and words from other languages is common on here, for instance: 'no problemo', 'muchos gracias', 'danke schon' etc, these are common phrases that people all over the world recognize. I agree that the sentence about the flute and vocals is a bit confusing, but it does not affect the overall outcome of his review. Also, I think using Rush as a reference on a prog-rock site is legit. If someone doesn't know Rush, then they should start from the very beginning, maybe The Nice or King Crimson, ha ha. Edited by Easy Money - November 30 2008 at 09:11 |
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Finnforest
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Posted: November 30 2008 at 09:18 |
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Well its not a great review certainly, but I understood most of it just fine. People are allowed not to like stuff that they don't like. Most importantly, I believe his feeling about the album is sincere and not a "gotcha" review from someone simply trying to lower a rating score. Despite it's shortcomings, I don't think there's enough wrong with it to warrant removal.
If you remove that one, there's a whole lot more out there that should go for being less than ideal. Also, look at his other reviews. All sincere yet all with the same language issues making them slightly harder to understand. Do you remove all of his reviews then? Just because you don't like this one?? Edited by Finnforest - November 30 2008 at 09:21 |
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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horticulture52
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Posted: November 30 2008 at 09:39 |
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Just reading the guidelines and responding to what I read. I don't like certain music as well, but I like to back up WHY I don't like it. I don't see how the review will benefit anyone. And tim-tam-tum is a word I've never heard before. Words like muchos gracias and the other ones you stated are phrases that most native English speakers know. Tim-tam-tum, I can't even find it in an English context on the internet.
Just got angry and a little carried away. If it can't be removed it can't be removed. It's actually a really funny review now that I think about it, lol. Maybe it's best kept up.
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npjnpj
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Posted: December 01 2008 at 06:43 |
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I find that all reviews should be kept on, as long as they're not uses as a vehicle for some form of propaganda, and I haven't come across that here yet.
OK, so some reviewers have slight difficulties with the language and read as though they've gone through Babel Fish, but they get their points across and I'm thankful for every single one, because they've sicced me onto many great artists in the past.
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kej
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Posted: December 20 2008 at 09:06 |
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ABOUT HORSLIPS AND ALAN STIVELL
Kenneth Levine has done this review about Happy to meet-sorry to part.
Here the last part of it:
 :(While Horslips reached several career pinnacles after this debut, it is curious that they never really followed the formula proposed herein, which had perhaps only been so effectively implemented by early Alan Stivell albums. "Happy to Meet...Sorry to Part" simply glows with ethnic authenticity and a progressive sheen from a band happily occupying several musical worlds, whom you should meet and from whom you might never part. 4.5 stars. ).
I really understand his point of view. But don't you think that in this case this Forum is a bit strange?Kevin gives the feeling to more or less blame Horslips and Alan Sivell to have left somehow the true Progressive-folk or Folk-rock to other experiments. He, of course, has the right to think so as much as these musicians have the right to feel free to go everywhere they want.
Here, most of the people are not Folk-rock fans and might rather love the other sides of these musicians (if they were well informed about them). Isn't it?
And the problem and pity is that they don't go to them as they are afraid that these artists should be too much "Folk-rock"!
Perhaps shoud they go to www.alan-stivell.com or Myspace/alanstivell and have a listen to one of his 22 albums (by the way, they have not any linear way, difficult to say "the earlier albums" opposite to the "last ones").
Best wishes for Christmas!
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kenethlevine
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Posted: December 21 2008 at 15:15 |
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hi, ken here. I was not meaning to say that Horslips and Alan Stivell went downhill after their first albums. I enjoy a lot of the later stuff from both artists. What I was trying to say was, at that point in time (early 70s), both of those artists were revolutionary in their blend of the traditional and modern in celtic music - they virtually invented celtic rock. In Horslips case, I was saying that they never really produced another album similar to that debut. All you have to do is check out my other Horslips reviews to see that I quite enjoyed some of the subsequent albums...likewise for Stivell.
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 21 2008 at 18:37 |
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frankly Ken I don't see anything wrong about that paragraph in the slightest, not a damn thing, sounds like the poster has some ax to grind ..looks to me like you gave an honest and knowledgeable view, and a very well-written one too
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kenethlevine
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Posted: December 21 2008 at 21:48 |
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Thanks David...I hope that the addition of some of these more progressive folky artists will help give them exposure to a different audience and even turn some prog fans onto all manner of ethnic music, progressive or not.
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Ricochet
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Posted: December 22 2008 at 05:27 |
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Okay, Vibrationbaby told us in advance about this Special Reviewing day of his, but that doesn't make me any happier reading his input on TAAB, Relayer, ITCOTCK and Machine Head.
(Nothing against you, Ian, just wondering: what's up with these?) |
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Posted: December 22 2008 at 05:35 |
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There's more where they came from. I'm in a festive mood.
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Posted: December 22 2008 at 06:06 |
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Are you sure this occurs only once a year?
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Listening to this album it is hard to believe it was made in 1972. This album would have been more appropriate in 1968. While the previous album, Meddle, had constituted a step away from psychadelia, here Pink Floyd fully reverted to their old psychedelic style. In my opinion this music has nothing to do with progressive rock.
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