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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2012 at 07:43
The Bible is rife with public prayer.  This passage is about not putting on performances of piety:

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1“Be careful not to do your acts of righteousness before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

2“So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 3But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

5“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

9“This, then, is how you should pray:

“‘Our Father in heaven,

hallowed be your name,

10your kingdom come,

your will be done

on earth as it is in heaven.

11Give us today our daily bread.

12Forgive us our debts,

as we also have forgiven our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation,

but deliver us from the evil one.a

14For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

16“When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 17But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, 18so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.



Being generous and pious in the ancient Near Eastern world was a way of increasing one's honor among the people.  Jesus says not to use giving, prayer, and fasting to increase your own reputation.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2012 at 10:03
I will pray for Jennifer and for comfort and peace for her and Sylvia, Rob.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2012 at 10:45
I guess I never have been disappointed by prayer's track record as I've never expected much tangible from it.  It seems like an act of good faith toward others, and act that improves a person by simply doing it, and an act that cannot hurt one's relationship with the big guy.  It always made me feel better as a kid, I figured my prayers may affect things in subtle ways that I may not ever notice. 

Then of course I threw my faith away for decades....it feels good to return to it.   Even if I do so as damaged goods and without being honestly able to profess any kind of certainty about it. 
...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2012 at 17:18
Anybody ever watch the show American Bible Challenge? I'm watching it now for the first time myself.

EDIT: They just had a pretty awesome segment. They presented you with a sentence. You had to say if it was a lyric from the band Genesis or a line from the book of Genesis.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2012 at 18:05
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Anybody ever watch the show American Bible Challenge? I'm watching it now for the first time myself.

EDIT: They just had a pretty awesome segment. They presented you with a sentence. You had to say if it was a lyric from the band Genesis or a line from the book of Genesis.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2012 at 18:12
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Anybody ever watch the show American Bible Challenge? I'm watching it now for the first time myself.

EDIT: They just had a pretty awesome segment. They presented you with a sentence. You had to say if it was a lyric from the band Genesis or a line from the book of Genesis.


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That's a damn shame.  We just stopped watching it.  Don't get us wrong- we liked it, but we had other things recorded that we wanted to watch.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2012 at 18:39
I would imagine you can run that show Rob. I was able to get about 90% of the questions, and my knowledge of the Old Testament is seriously lacking. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2012 at 18:41
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I would imagine you can run that show Rob. I was able to get about 90% of the questions, and my knowledge of the Old Testament is seriously lacking. 


Yeah, it's usually pretty easy.  I was upset last program because they had an error.

They asked about what plagues are mentioned in Revelation.  A correct answer was figs falling from a tree, but that was not a plague; rather, it was a simile- nothing more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2012 at 18:55
That's unfortunate. Jeff Foxworthy being the host is the bigger disappointment to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2012 at 20:53
Would you Christians pray about our new church?

We merged with another congregation.  They had a building but no preacher.  We had a preacher but no building.

Thanks.  Smile

The new church, by the way, is called "Refuge."


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2012 at 20:57
I'll pray for your church, Rob.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2012 at 21:04
Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

I'll pray for your church, Rob.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2012 at 21:12
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2012 at 21:44
^"In our world, too, a stable once held something bigger than the whole world."

                                                                                    -C.S. Lewis (Lucy in The Last Battle)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 14:01
Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

^"In our world, too, a stable once held something bigger than the whole world."

                                                                                    -C.S. Lewis (Lucy in The Last Battle)

That's so sweet! How true! It is that time of year again. Love me some Christmas!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2012 at 06:25
My first post in this thread & I'd better say at the outset I am not a Christian.

Just curious as to what people here think of 'The Whirlwind' by Transatlantic - bought this a couple of months ago & can't stop playing it; absolutely terrific modern progressive rock, but also one of the strongest affirmations of faith I've ever heard.

As I said, just curious...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2012 at 06:51
Jim, `The Whirlwind' is so gloriously, ridiculously, totally PROG - and damn proud of it! Knockout playing, and topped off with Morse's usual melodic hooks. It's fantastic, as are their other two studio Transatlantic albums, as are the last several Neal Morse solo albums, as are the Flowers Kings albums...plenty of ways to get a similar Transatlantic fix! Plenty of ways for everyone on here to get some Christian-related prog!

You should check out one of the two `Whirld-Wind' tour DVD's, where they play the entire album, plus a stack of their other epics! They play for hours on end!

You know, why not just check out BOTH?!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2012 at 16:33
Just dropping in.
If you guys haven't seen What's The Matter With Kansas, you might find it interesting:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/235713
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2012 at 17:39
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Just dropping in.
If you guys haven't seen What's The Matter With Kansas, you might find it interesting:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/235713


Nothing!  Except Kerry Livgren and Robbie Steinhardt left!

Doesn't that belong in the political thread though?  Reading the summary on Wikipedia (I'm not watching a 90 minute + commercial documentary on this subject), it seems to be a criticism of Terry Fox.

I'm a Christian Libertarian, which usually makes everyone uncomfortable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2012 at 19:34
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

My first post in this thread & I'd better say at the outset I am not a Christian.

Just curious as to what people here think of 'The Whirlwind' by Transatlantic - bought this a couple of months ago & can't stop playing it; absolutely terrific modern progressive rock, but also one of the strongest affirmations of faith I've ever heard.

As I said, just curious...

Well its pretty much my favorite piece of music ever written and the ending lyrics make me love it all the more
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