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Garion81
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Posted: June 29 2011 at 11:15 |
Jim good try I but I had to post this article link. For those who think what ELP did was pretentious I would really like your feedback on what this band is doing. 
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richardh
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Posted: June 29 2011 at 15:22 |
^ I always felt that U2 could only have been successfull when they were (early 80's). There was a dearth of guitar bands that could play properly 'live'. Not my cup of tea. Tried Johsua Tree and couldn't even get through the whole album it was so dull. Why this band is so revered is beyond me.
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Garion81
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Posted: June 29 2011 at 16:26 |
Okay good point but what I was going for is why do they need 100 trucks to tour with? They did enough damage in two baseball stadiums to interrupt the teams schedule and they had to move dates to another site. ELP was criticized as bloated and pretentious because they had 3 trucks.
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presdoug
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Posted: June 29 2011 at 16:33 |
richardh wrote:
^ I always felt that U2 could only have been successfull when they were (early 80's). There was a dearth of guitar bands that could play properly 'live'. Not my cup of tea. Tried Johsua Tree and couldn't even get through the whole album it was so dull. Why this band is so revered is beyond me. |
Yeah, i know what you mean-myself, i have never heard a single thing by U2 that isn't dull, including their early stuff
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Otto9999
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Posted: October 24 2015 at 13:03 |
Removed due to PA's deliberated act of deleting threads as alleged featuring negative behaviour posts towards others.
Edited by Otto9999 - October 31 2015 at 11:15
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: October 24 2015 at 13:41 |
I think ELP are generally disliked because they're seen as the band that with a couple possible exceptions, they never made an entire good album and would usually often throw in some if not bad then very out-of-place sounding goofy joke songs in on otherwise quite serious LPs. This goes even for their classics.
EDIT: Referring to them being considered a second-stringer group in prog rock circles, not how "normal people" think of the band.
Edited by Toaster Mantis - October 24 2015 at 13:42
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 24 2015 at 15:19 |
Good god, another Night of the Living Thread
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TheLionOfPrague
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Posted: October 24 2015 at 16:39 |
It surprising to me how "low ranked", relatively speaking, their albums are in PA since they're one of the biggest bands in prog, but compared to Genesis, Yes, Floyd and KC the albums are not ranked that good. They're even below some less successful bands like VDGG or Gentle Giant.
For me they're amazing, the first four albums are masterpieces and they're as good as Yes or Genesis for me.
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: October 25 2015 at 10:31 |
I'm going off places like RateYourMusic and last.fm, where the general consensus on ELP even among the prog rock fans is that the group were extremely inconsistent and with one or two exceptions never made an entire good album.
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Otto9999
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Posted: October 25 2015 at 11:16 |
Removed due to PA's deliberated act of deleting threads as alleged featuring negative behaviour posts towards others.
Edited by Otto9999 - October 31 2015 at 11:11
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kenethlevine
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Posted: October 25 2015 at 11:53 |
They were hugely influential, and that can never be taken away from them. But they seem to have undergone a re-appraisal that has not been kind towards them. That's sad in a way, but also good in a way that even many old fans are able to view them more critically with the passage of time. Myself I have never been a fan, and, while I like a few of their songs, I don't really like any of their albums, but then I'm a dinosaur who still resents Lake for leaving King Crimson!
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geekfreak
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 02:21 |
NOPE
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Svetonio
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 04:01 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
I'm going off places like RateYourMusic and last.fm, where the general consensus on ELP even among the prog rock fans is that the group were extremely inconsistent and with one or two exceptions never made an entire good album.
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That "consensus" (lol) is evidently created by a few people there who don't really feel Prog in general but acting "connoisseurs" on the Internet and therefore it's a 100% nonsense because Emerson, Lake & Palmer s/t debut, Tarkus and Trilogy are really genuine and really great masterpieces which passed the time test.
Edited by Svetonio - October 26 2015 at 04:02
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NutterAlert
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 08:42 |
^ I am loathed to agree with the above, so I won't. I reckon on their day ELP were as good as any of them. Trilogy is superb, on their 73/74 world tour they were unstoppable. Karn Evil had its moments. They made themselves easy targets for the hate brigade of NME, etc, and everyone else jumped on the bandwaggon. I love the fact that Emerson still does not give a crap what people think and suggests people critisize then because they were just too good! much prefer ELP on their day to genesis or yes or rush
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Polymorphia
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 09:32 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
I think ELP are generally disliked because they're seen as the band that with a couple possible exceptions, they never made an entire good album and would usually often throw in some if not bad then very out-of-place sounding goofy joke songs in on otherwise quite serious LPs. This goes even for their classics.
EDIT: Referring to them being considered a second-stringer group in prog rock circles, not how "normal people" think of the band.
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Yep. This is about how I feel about the band. I think Greg Lake and Carl Palmer are overrated, but good nonetheless, and Keith Emerson is a great musician and composer. Aesthetically, though, the "joke" songs, cover art, etc. push me away. I think some of their stuff is pretty neat, but never an entire album, and I usually pull out of their albums with negative feelings towards them. I suppose the most upsetting albums are the ones that do have things going for them.
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chopper
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 09:33 |
Svetonio wrote:
Toaster Mantis wrote:
I'm going off places like RateYourMusic and last.fm, where the general consensus on ELP even among the prog rock fans is that the group were extremely inconsistent and with one or two exceptions never made an entire good album.
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I'd add Brain Salad Surgery to that list as well but the point someone else made was over consistency and people tend to complain about the "jokey" numbers such as Benny the Bouncer.
Edited by chopper - October 26 2015 at 09:56
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sublime220
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 11:21 |
ELP's debut should definitely be up in the top thirty. Not a mediocre or bad track on that album.
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HackettFan
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 13:41 |
They don't deserve to be more loathed than Gentle Giant. I like ELP, despite of their limited guitar repertoire (I'm biased, yes). Their primary problem is they don't have any mythology or lore that really caught on, no giant hogweeds, no heroes like Zero, or characters like Rael or pink. The rationale for liking them is they have brilliant keyboard work and fantastic vocals, but the basis for them capturing your imagination had never been fully developed.
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Otto9999
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 14:11 |
Removed due to PA's deliberated act of deleting threads as alleged featuring negative behaviour posts towards others.
Edited by Otto9999 - October 31 2015 at 11:07
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Evolver
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Posted: October 26 2015 at 14:35 |
^Moby? I didn't know he was prog.
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