SR IV: This is the end, my only friend, the end.

TGM: Orb wrote: progismylife wrote: Good point. But I think we need to lose the terms objective/subjective. Reviews should be what you like and what you don't like and discuss. It might sound like objective / subjective but its completely different. IMO. Well, to an extent. There are objective (or, at least partly objective) criteria which can be applied, but our individual weightings of those criteria are going to be subjective, hence, while you probably can't call something a masterpiece from a solely objective point of view, reviews can have a bit of objectivity in them.

Exactly.

MovingPictures07 wrote: progismylife wrote: Good point. But I think we need to lose the terms objective/subjective. Reviews should be what you like and what you don't like and discuss. It might sound like objective / subjective but its completely different. IMO. It's just a matter of being picky on wording. I attempt to fit the guidelines for reviewing as well as possible while also maintaining my own unique style.

I like nit-picking

Epignosis wrote: TGM: Orb wrote: progismylife wrote: Good point. But I think we need to lose the terms objective/subjective. Reviews should be what you like and what you don't like and discuss. It might sound like objective / subjective but its completely different. IMO. Well, to an extent. There are objective (or, at least partly objective) criteria which can be applied, but our individual weightings of those criteria are going to be subjective, hence, while you probably can't call something a masterpiece from a solely objective point of view, reviews can have a bit of objectivity in them. You can make objective observations about music: "There is an electric guitar on this song." Opinions are by definition subjective, however.  "This album is five stars" cannot be demonstrated by facts.

So like I said. We should lose the words objective/subjective. Cause I've read reviews where people say I like this album but looking from an objective view point (I've done this before)....the only thing you can say objectively is that it is music, it uses certain time / key signatures, these instruments, these people, the history of the album...etc but subjectively you can say this is better than that and try to give an appearance of objectivity, but you're objectifying your opinion.

Henry Plainview wrote: progismylife wrote: Good point. But I think we need to lose the terms objective/subjective. Reviews should be what you like and what you don't like and discuss. It might sound like objective / subjective but its completely different. IMO. Objective may not be exactly the right word for taking into account how other people might like it, but unless you can think of another one... And of course there is the major point of your post, that all music is completely subjective and equal, which I cannot accept even if I try. And if saying that Beethoven's Ninth Symphony has a greater value and impact on Western culture than Womanizer makes me a pretentious elitist, so be it.

No I think you misunderstand me. I'm being very, very sort of pigeonholing almost. You can see how Beethoven affected culture by what comes after it. People don't generally try to sound or create songs like Brittany Spears, but they do try to do things in a style like Beethoven.

Epignosis wrote: progismylife wrote: Epignosis wrote: TGM: Orb wrote: progismylife wrote: Good point. But I think we need to lose the terms objective/subjective. Reviews should be what you like and what you don't like and discuss. It might sound like objective / subjective but its completely different. IMO. Well, to an extent. There are objective (or, at least partly objective) criteria which can be applied, but our individual weightings of those criteria are going to be subjective, hence, while you probably can't call something a masterpiece from a solely objective point of view, reviews can have a bit of objectivity in them. You can make objective observations about music: "There is an electric guitar on this song." Opinions are by definition subjective, however.  "This album is five stars" cannot be demonstrated by facts. So like I said. We should lose the words objective/subjective. Cause I've read reviews where people say I like this album but looking from an objective view point (I've done this before)....the only thing you can say objectively is that it is music, it uses certain time / key signatures, these instruments, these people, the history of the album...etc but subjectively you can say this is better than that and try to give an appearance of objectivity, but you're objectifying your opinion. Don't drop the terms- just use them correctly! It's like when people misuse the word "literally" (I hear it all the time).  They use the term to express emphasis, rather than express something that happened exactly as their words say: "I literally jumped through the ceiling!" Really now?

I don't think these terms can be used correctly though. But to be fair neither can anything. We can't give the whole world the same education so everyone is on the same page.

Raff wrote: TGM: Orb wrote: Hm... Scenes From A Memory Metropolis... not at all impressed. The lyrics are disastrous, the concept... oh dear, the music didn't grab my attention much, and Labrie seems to have decided to stop being good most of the time. Erk. You rock, sir! *hides from the wrath of DT fans*

Hey, Rico. What's up?

rushfan4 wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Raff wrote: TGM: Orb wrote: Hm... Scenes From A Memory Metropolis... not at all impressed. The lyrics are disastrous, the concept... oh dear, the music didn't grab my attention much, and Labrie seems to have decided to stop being good most of the time. Erk. You rock, sir! *hides from the wrath of DT fans*   I'm with you on this one Alex.  I think that it is an excellent album with an excellent concept.

I absolutely love that album. It's still my favorite metal album ever, but it's really hard for me to say that because it has stiff competition.

I've grown to love 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence just as much but in a different way.

Ricochet wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Hey, Rico. What's up? Well. No piano lesson tomorrow. That means a free afternoon.

Awesome! (Kinda)

What are you going to do with it?

Ricochet wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Ricochet wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Hey, Rico. What's up? Well. No piano lesson tomorrow. That means a free afternoon. Awesome! (Kinda) What are you going to do with it? Waste it, d'oh!

I've spent all of my spring break doing absolutely nothing and being lazy. It's been nice though; I needed it.

I should get a head start on two big essays I have to write, but I probably won't.