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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 18:33

Other bands that I might similarly recommend would be OSI, Liquid Tension Experiment, Gordian Knot, some Voivod, and Platypus.  Again you are probably familar with most if not all of these bands. 

LTE and Gordian Knot are both mainly instrumentals.  OSI and LTE both have Mike Portnoy on drums but neither have LaBrie on vocals so this would be a plus to some.
 
Platypus has Ty Tabor from King's X and John Myung the bassist for DT, Rod Morganstein from Winger and Dixie Dregs fame, and Derek Sherinian (former keyboardist for DT).  Highly recommended for fans of King's X or Ty Tabor.
 
Voivod had a string of 3 albums "Angel Rat", "Nothingface" and "The Outer Limits" that are absolutely fantastic prog metal albums.  The rest of their output is more metal than prog but still good for those fans of the heavier metal bands.
 
Again, I am hoping that this is more helpful than annoying.  I am sure that there are other bands that I could also recommend from the prog metal side but that is probably more than enough to get rocks thrown at me for now.


Edited by rushfan4 - October 09 2007 at 18:38
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 18:36
not annoying at all ......and that is the purpose of the thrread. Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 18:41
Certainly not, those are some interesting atypical PM bands.
 
And, if you're not into the virouistic PM, I can't recommend enough the pseudo-Avantgarde Prog Metal that is out there. 
[QUOTE=darkshade] [QUOTE=Sckxyss]
I'm disappointed - neither of these players are avant-garde!

Al di Meola.

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haha i know. but the poll itself is avant-garde
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 18:44
Originally posted by Drakk Drakk wrote:

Certainly not, those are some interesting atypical PM bands.
 
And, if you're not into the virouistic PM, I can't recommend enough the pseudo-Avantgarde Prog Metal that is out there. 


that sounds like  something up my alley actaully.  Other than ELP.. w**kery does nothing for me.  ELP has a style all their own LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 18:50
Then, (of course if you haven't already) I highly suggest Subterranean Masquerade.
 
Since you don't seem to have any problem with "cookie monster" Wink vocals, it's a wonderful band that actually pushes a few boundries.  Think a more mellow version of Opeth, with touches of Saxaphone and other Jazz brass, Piano, Harmonica, Dulcimer, Violin, Middle Easter Drum things LOL and so on.  Some more than others, the piano and violin are certainly prominent, but all are used to good effect.
 
Suspended Animation Dreams is something I think you might like.
[QUOTE=darkshade] [QUOTE=Sckxyss]
I'm disappointed - neither of these players are avant-garde!

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haha i know. but the poll itself is avant-garde
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 19:01
Hi ! I'm am Not knew two tis sthread. But Aye wuld love some ricommendatolans about any prog boogie bands out dere.
I asskume that dis most bea a Porg Mallet sub-ganre. Eef knot, I propoise it as a gud wong.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 19:04
^ And RF asks "What was the point of that post DB?"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 19:10
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Voivod had a string of 3 albums "Angel Rat", "Nothingface" and "The Outer Limits" that are absolutely fantastic prog metal albums.  The rest of their output is more metal than prog but still good for those fans of the heavier metal bands.
 
 
Everybody seems to forget Dimension Hatross, which for my money is more progressive (and enjoyable) than Angel Rat. Just one mans opinion.
 
And where Gordian Knot is concerned, to me it is one of those projects that is real borderline when it comes to having a metal label at all. Rivers Dancing is the only song that really drives like a metal song and for only about half its 7:36.  The most metal thing about the album is the musical background of the participants, otherwise sounds kind of eclectic prog to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 19:13
yeah I find Dimension Hatross to be a bit more progressive than Nothingface too


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 19:18
welllll.... that one I would have a little harder time sorting out in my mind.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 19:32
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

I like it how whenever someone mentions there being too many DT clones, there will always be someone who will take it as a dramatic insult to DT members, their families and pets.
 
I love people who like to throw more incendiary stuff into the fire... who meddle in other people's discussions and try to inflate small musical arguments....


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Sorry, couldn't resist.Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 19:40
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

welllll.... that one I would have a little harder time sorting out in my mind.


I probably should have said I prefer it  Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 19:41
Unlike Vompatti, I do quote myself:

Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:

Often a band will forget to be musical as they strive for hitherto-unachieved complexity.


That is the only reason I dislike much metal (that, and the aggressive feel is overwhelming often.) I do love a few, who , though exhibiting complex song structure, still sound very organic and musical, such as Opeth, or more experimental bands: Kayo Dot or maudlin of the Well.

But I'm not saying that overly complex songs are a bad thing, just that I personally don't find it too appealing. I respect that every human is fully entitled to their own opinions. You can all listen to as much DT or Meshuggah as you'd like.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 19:44
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

I like it how whenever someone mentions there being too many DT clones, there will always be someone who will take it as a dramatic insult to DT members, their families and pets.
 
I love people who like to throw more incendiary stuff into the fire... who meddle in other people's discussions and try to inflate small musical arguments....


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Sorry, couldn't resist.Tongue


hahhahhahahah... love it...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 19:57
A serious question for fans of the genre, and I profess profound ignorance, therefore I can't knock it.  One of the things I love about King Crimson is the way they do really heavy stuff on albums side by side with beautiful mellow tracks.  Is that off limits for this genre?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 20:00
^^^
nope not off limits at all, infact the use of soft mellowness and loud metalness is one of the best things about the genre
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 20:01
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

A serious question for fans of the genre, and I profess profound ignorance, therefore I can't knock it.  One of the things I love about King Crimson is the way they do really heavy stuff on albums side by side with beautiful mellow tracks.  Is that off limits for this genre?
Absolutely not - just like old school (hair) metal bands loved a good old ballad, Prog Metal plays with texture and pace, but of course the extremes can be very extreme. Opeth are a prime example of this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 20:03
No, it is pretty much obligatory for metal bands (not including thrash) to throw one or two ballad type songs on in order to change up the style and possibly also reach main stream audiences.
 
Again with DT as an example I would recomend listening to Peruvian Sky.  In my ear, it is a beautiful mellow song.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 20:12
Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

A serious question for fans of the genre, and I profess profound ignorance, therefore I can't knock it.  One of the things I love about King Crimson is the way they do really heavy stuff on albums side by side with beautiful mellow tracks.  Is that off limits for this genre?
Absolutely not - just like old school (hair) metal bands loved a good old ballad, Prog Metal plays with texture and pace, but of course the extremes can be very extreme. Opeth are a prime example of this.


one of the reasons I have really take to them
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 20:44
Not quite ready to explore this genre, but much thanks for the input.
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