The Atheist Thread

The Miracle wrote: Well duh, everyone does sin but they feel guilty about it and try to do as little about as possible and then try to get their little sing forgiven. They know the punishment is waiting. They're afraid of the ultimate law - you can get away from cops but you will be punished by God after death: the most powerful control factor ever invented!

    
Wherer does this guilt come from? It comes from a standard put into every human being. But if their is no GOd why would people have a conscience?

progismylife wrote: The Miracle wrote: Well duh, everyone does sin but they feel guilty about it and try to do as little about as possible and then try to get their little sing forgiven. They know the punishment is waiting. They're afraid of the ultimate law - you can get away from cops but you will be punished by God after death: the most powerful control factor ever invented!      Wherer does this guilt come from? It comes from a standard put into every human being. But if their is no GOd why would people have a conscience?

It comes from reading the bible and being told from childhood what is right and what is wrong according to that bible. That's how most religious people were raised.

Coincidences are just two physical precesses going independently and then accidentally working out toward each other. The possibility is small that a brick would fall on your head as you pass by a building, but with all the bricks falling from buildings and people passing by them it will eventually work out. People don't have coincidences, they randomly happen following rules of probability. There are many people in the world preying for an ipod and many people with a spare one - chances are two of these people will happen to be friends.

progismylife wrote: The Miracle wrote: Well, that depends on whether you believe God exists or you believe that someone happened to have a spare ipod when another guy was thinking of getting one. This debate is really rather pointless      4 spare ipods when they were new, and had stuff on them not easily found!!

Things happen. If you like to believe in it, so be it

The Miracle wrote: It comes from reading the bible and being told from childhood what is right and what is wrong according to that bible. That's how most religious people were raised.

    

So you would be calling the ideas of right and wrong a social convention right?

progismylife wrote: The Miracle wrote: It comes from reading the bible and being told from childhood what is right and what is wrong according to that bible. That's how most religious people were raised.      So you would be calling the ideas of right and wrong a social convention right?

Right and wrong are social conventions, we invent rules ultimately to protect ourselves, like survival mechanisms or wellbeing contracts. We're doing morality in philosophy, and christian ethics is a very messy subject indeed
    

The Miracle wrote: progismylife wrote: The Miracle wrote: Well duh, everyone does sin but they feel guilty about it and try to do as little about as possible and then try to get their little sing forgiven. They know the punishment is waiting. They're afraid of the ultimate law - you can get away from cops but you will be punished by God after death: the most powerful control factor ever invented!      Wherer does this guilt come from? It comes from a standard put into every human being. But if their is no GOd why would people have a conscience? It comes from reading the bible and being told from childhood what is right and what is wrong according to that bible. That's how most religious people were raised. Coincidences are just two physical precesses going independently and then accidentally working out toward each other. The possibility is small that a brick would fall on your head as you pass by a building, but with all the bricks falling from buildings and people passing by them it will eventually work out. People don't have coincidences, they randomly happen following rules of probability. There are many people in the world preying for an ipod and many people with a spare one - chances are two of these people will happen to be friends.

Some people are raised that way, others convert.. and about organizing society well of course, it's logical that God wants to organise society by telling people not to harm each other... jews of the old testament believed that everything bad that happened to them was because God was smiting them... and high priests convinced people of that... but Jesus dared to call the high priests hypocrites and resumed all of the ten commandments into one... and proclaimed a message of mercy and love for thy neighbour.... the ipod thing is perhapsa bit irrelevant but miracles did happen around.. they still happen...

Chus wrote: Some people are raised that way, others convert.. and about organizing society well of course, it's logical that God wants to organise society by telling people not to harm each other... jews of the old testament believed that everything bad that happened to them was because God was smiting them... and high priests convinced people of that... but Jesus dared to call the high priests hypocrites and resumed all of the ten commandments into one... and proclaimed a message of mercy and love for thy neighbour.... the ipod thing is perhapsa bit irrelevant but miracles did happen around.. they still happen...

    

Jesus was calling the pharisees hypocrites. THey just happened to be the high priests. THey were taking the law and twisting it. Jesus didn't change the law he fulfilled it. THe high priests didn't convince the people that God was punishing them, God did. He told them there would be famines if they did not obey him and also that he would put them in captivity for wrong doing. The high priests were supposed to be the ones conducting the animal sacrifices and going into the holy places in the temple.

progismylife wrote: toolsofthetrade wrote: look at the practices of all the different cultures, they all have differing views on what's right and wrong           Not really if you look closer. They are different in some respects but not in total opposition. For instance, cultures differ on whether having one wife or four. But they agree you must not have any woman you liked.

Agreed, moral beliefs are very similar for many different cultures.  Chances are, if you think something is immoral, so will people around the world of different religions or no religion.  The core moral beliefs are not really created by religion, rather they are pretty much ingrained in us as humans, which is why they're found in many religions.  There are also other moral beliefs that are sometimes specific to certain religions or individuals.

Sasquamo wrote: The core moral beliefs are not really created by religion, rather they are pretty much ingrained in us as humans, which is why they're found in many religions.

    


So you agree that there is a "Law of Human Nature" that there is some agreement to what is Right or Wrong, right?

stonebeard wrote: Is smoking marijuana right or wrong?

    
If it is illegal, it is wrong, if not smoke all you want.