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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 14:45
Just ficking through some of the RIO/avant-garde bands.

One band that has caught my interests was:

AKINETÓN RETARD: they have some very good high reviews, and have nothing but praise from Cesar Inca (César Inca Mendoza Loyola). From reading this they seem right down my alley.

I was wondering which album people would suggest starting with?
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 15:05
I only have their first s/t album which I enjoy trememndously. I think it would be a great purchase. But people more konwledgeable about this band should tell you about their other albums (great saxes in their music).


When in doubt, go chronologically LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 17:26
Thanks for that... I have been looking at my local CD stores and it appears their s/t albums is the only one they stock in. So it makes the choice a little easier for the moment

In the biography they are likened to John Zorn's Naked City. How correct do you find this to be?
      
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 17:33
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Well there is a similar insanity and the vocals are sometimes of the same nature (screaming senslessly LOL). But Zorn's album is more avant-garde in nature and more experimental, while Akineton remains closer to the album's theme and while they do experiment, they don't go as far as Zorn. And also, Zorn is kinda travelling between several type of music there and they just go on in the same vein all the album (not to mean they are stagnating, not at all - only they remain in the same type of music, the same genre). The comparison is valid, but with the appropriate word of caution.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 18:46
OK, here is what I'm down to for my next purchase (that are RIO/Avant Garde, or still along more experimental lines):
 
Ahvak - s/t
Deus ex Machina - Cinque
Far Corner - s/t
Guapo - Five Suns
Krakatoa - We Are the Rowboats
Matching Mole - s/t
Miriodor - Parade
Thinking Plague - In Extremis
 
I've put a handful off for later, but I'm stuck narrowing my list down for this one. If some of you can choose 3-5 off this list that would be the best choices I would appreciate it
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 19:55
That is a very nice list Thumbs Up.

Of those these are the one I would suggest:

Ahvak - s/t
Deus ex Machina - Cinque
Far Corner - s/t
Thinking Plague - In Extremis

I'm not sure what Miriodors' new album sounds like, but if it is anything like 'Jongleries Elastiques' I would be tempted to put that on the list as well!

Just wondering who are Krakatoa? never heard of them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 20:32
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

That is a very nice list Thumbs Up.

Of those these are the one I would suggest:

Ahvak - s/t
Deus ex Machina - Cinque
Far Corner - s/t
Thinking Plague - In Extremis

I'm not sure what Miriodors' new album sounds like, but if it is anything like 'Jongleries Elastiques' I would be tempted to put that on the list as well!

Just wondering who are Krakatoa? never heard of them.

Hope this helps
 
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Krakatoa is a band on Cuneiform I discovered while perusing their page. They are very melodic and a lot of fun to listen to.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2006 at 03:40
I would go with
Ahvak
Miriodor
Guapo
Thinking Plague

and if you want a fifth one
Far Corner

All are excellent, though, tough choice.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2006 at 05:21
I ordered 5 Suns after hearing praises on this site comparing it to Crimson's Red & Univers Zero, and found that while it goes stylistically in this direction, it's a lot of bluster with few compositional chops to back it up...rather tedious ostinatos that go on and on, with little to say musically. I got the feeling they're pretty young, so maybe they'll develop into something good, but the comparisons are way premature.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2006 at 08:15
Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

That is a very nice list Thumbs Up.

...................
Just wondering who are Krakatoa? never heard of them.

Hope this helps
 
Thanks...
 
Krakatoa is a band on Cuneiform I discovered while perusing their page. They are very melodic and a lot of fun to listen to.
 
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Absolutely! Krakatoa is a very good band and, yes, lots of fun - their music is quite diverse, mixing high quality jazz-rock/fusion with some avant moments plus minor Crimson influences here and there. I only know and have their album "Plan Ahead" and I enjoy it immensly.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2006 at 01:02
You got me very curious on Krakatoa. I have to find it now!
 
Anyway, I looked at Syzygy's latest addition to PA - THIS HEAT
I am going to receive Deceit soon, which is said to be their best, according to the bio written by Syzygy.
Their description in their bio sounds interesting:
"Their first, self titled album came out in 1979 and it sounded like they were picking up where Faust had left off in 1975, with muscular rhythms, musique concrete, found sounds and bizarre lyrics inhabiting a bizarre, post apocalyptic soundscape. Their second album, Deceit, came out in 1981, and was more song oriented and took the radical ideas and apocalyptoc imagery of their debut even further than their afficianados had hoped for."
"This Heat can be recommended to anyone who likes Can, Faust, King Crimson's more extreme and improvisational moments and Japanese Zeuhl - their influence can be felt in bands like Ruins"
 
So this sounds promising enough.
As this is a new addition to PA, there are still no reviews. Who knows them (apart from Chris)?
What do you think of them?
Other than Deceit, should I get This Heat and Health and Efficiency?
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2006 at 01:11
Love them, they never produced a bad album, although I'd say "Repeat" is probably the hardest to get into, I love it though.

The Camberwell Now compilation "All's Well" is also an essential listen, it contains all of the CN releases on one disc.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2006 at 16:40
Just another little question about Krakatoa. I went to their site to be delighted to find a few songs to download from their lastest album..We Are the Rowboats along with Togetherness. I found great joy in the two tracks off Togetherness, but tended to feel rather bored while listen to the tracks off their new album.

I'm just wondering if anybody else felt this, to me they just felt like they were going through the motions, there seemed to be something missing. I think I will have to have a little more of a listen. I'm sure it is one of those bands that grow on you.

Looks like I am going to be finding myself some "This Heat" as well!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2006 at 19:51
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Just another little question about Krakatoa. I went to their site to be delighted to find a few songs to download from their lastest album..We Are the Rowboats along with Togetherness. I found great joy in the two tracks off Togetherness, but tended to feel rather bored while listen to the tracks off their new album.

I'm just wondering if anybody else felt this, to me they just felt like they were going through the motions, there seemed to be something missing. I think I will have to have a little more of a listen. I'm sure it is one of those bands that grow on you.

    
I agree, I liked Togetherness a lot but never really warmed to We Are the Rowboats. The debut is also pretty good but I think Togetherness is the best of the three.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2006 at 15:43
After reading Cesar Inca's thread about Bubu not being symphonic but more leaning to a RIO sounding band (and still maintaing some hallmarks of symphonic genre, thus making them art rock), I went back to the album and re-listened to it thoroughly.
First of all, it is a brilliant album and I was thinking what a shame it was that this is the only album they released (it was a rather large band). Second, Coming from Argentina and recording this in 1978 must have put this album in recluse from the rest of the world. Perhapse in other circumstances they would have been part of the original RIO movement and even appeared in the RIO original festical in March 12, 1978 Ermm.
Third, I am convinced this is not pure symphonic prog and I am also that this has RIO sounds and elements in it, but the mixing of styles make it not quite a full RIO/Avant style album, althuogh it is strongly linked to it. It is RIO/Avant-Related LOL
What do you think?

Another thing, what do you think of the band Fulano?
Here is their bio from this site:
Considered the top Chilean fusion jazz-rock band. Their compositions range from an experimental pop-rock to acid jazz with an avant-garde background. A complex top-notch rock style featuring female vocals.
Now I have their album Vivo. And while it is a fusion album, it has an avant-prog quirkiness to it and therefore this may appeal to many Avant-prog fans. I know I enjoy this album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2006 at 16:04
Bubu Anabellas sounds symphonic to me, with jazz-rock touches and RIO leanings. But I don't think Taal belong to RIO/avant category either. So it's just an opinion.
 
Never heard of Fulano before, and am quite curious now. 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2006 at 19:33
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Just another little question about Krakatoa. I went to their site to be delighted to find a few songs to download from their lastest album..We Are the Rowboats along with Togetherness. I found great joy in the two tracks off Togetherness, but tended to feel rather bored while listen to the tracks off their new album.

I'm just wondering if anybody else felt this, to me they just felt like they were going through the motions, there seemed to be something missing. I think I will have to have a little more of a listen. I'm sure it is one of those bands that grow on you.

 
I actually liked the Rowboats tracks more. Also, they are listed here under Jazz-Rock/Fusion. Why is this?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2006 at 20:11

Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Just another little question about Krakatoa. I went to their site to be delighted to find a few songs to download from their lastest album..We Are the Rowboats along with Togetherness. I found great joy in the two tracks off Togetherness, but tended to feel rather bored while listen to the tracks off their new album. I'm just wondering if anybody else felt this, to me they just felt like they were going through the motions, there seemed to be something missing. I think I will have to have a little more of a listen. I'm sure it is one of those bands that grow on you.

 

I actually liked the Rowboats tracks more. Also, they are listed here under Jazz-Rock/Fusion. Why is this?


From the little I have heard of them I do find their sound predominately Jazz-Rock/Fusion with tendancies leaning towards RIO. Though this is just my opinion, it would be interesting to see what other people have to say on the matter.
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2006 at 21:42
For RIO you have to start with Henry Cow. Henry Cow is an excellent example of both complicated and practical music. Unrest and In Praise Of Learning are excellent albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2006 at 01:56
After reading Black Velvet's Review on John Zorn's Cobra (http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=81009) I thought that we can discuss him here.
I only have Cobra, Spillane and Naked City (and will soon get others as well).
As BV said it well in his review, Cobra is hard to digest, but I do enjoy it (as he does) and find it a challenging and rewarding listen. I find Spillane to be more accessible and very enjoyable. Naked City is an album I still need to get acquainted with more, but up until now, I find it very good as well and "typical" Zorn. I also have some of his Masada's albums but I can't comment on them until I get more familiar with them.
Zorn is a very busy and porlific guy, no doubt about it. Apart from his solo efforts there is the various porjects he is invloved in and of course his label Tsadik (an Hebrew letter and also the word Righteous).
What other albums of his do you think are worth listening to?
 
 Here is a bio and discography of Zorn's solo albums and projects:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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