Yes Vs Genesis

raindance wrote: floydaholic wrote:   Assuming King Crimson didn't exist.

I have read just about every prog band encyclopedia, aotobiography,
biography ect and not once have I read that King Crimson influenced any
band or genre! In fact it beats the sh*t out me why anyone can compare
this mediocre band with the true prog greats, ie. ELP, Yes, Genesis
ect!!!!!!!!!!

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King Crimson didn't influence any band? That couldn't be farther from the
truth. I don't need to explain it's just an obvious incorrect statement. It
beats the Sh*t out you you why you can compare this mediocre band
(KING CRIMSON?? Is this THE King Crimson we're talking about?) with the
true prog greats?????

You forgot one of the true prog greats! King Crimson!

EDIT: And my opinion would be that I enjoy King Crimson more than Yes
and ELP (though not Genesis.) King Crimson wrote better songs than Yes
IMO. Fripp was a genius at writing guitar parts with emotion while Howe
was a genius at practicing how fast he can move his fingers ( I do
love Howe's playing, but he does tend to play a bit too fast. Like Petrucci.)

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Difficult choice ...

But not so difficult because I knew Yes before and when I met Genesis over 10 years ago it change the way i'd listen to music. So much powerfull emotions...

But, Yes is very great too, just think about the whole Tales from topographic oceans album, one of my top 5 porog album of all times!

zabriskiepoint wrote: Genesis, because although i really like CTTE and Fragile, I think Yes does not put any heart in their songs, they are just frigid and cold. But anyway I think Floyd kicks both their asses.

Making your opinion void.

As someone said earlier, comparing Yes to Genesis is like comparing apples to oranges; it comes down to preference.  Both bands have had a major influence on music as we know it at some time or another, and are extremely talented.  Trying to pass your opinions off as fact on who's better is like trying to run a race with no legs: any way you approach it, you're still going nowhere.


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And... YES, I vote for GENESIS. 

NouSomesduSolei wrote: ivan_2068 wrote:   Sorry to say this, but it's the silliest comment I ever read, Musicianship is not about making solos, real virtuosos know what and when to play the exact note, they are willing to sacrifice their own individuality for the greatness of the band. Iván So, what your saying is that jon anderson's acoustic guitar playing makes him a virtuoso becuase he plays the right notes at the right time??? So pretty much what your saying is there is no difference between jon dever and jimmy hendrix?, Sorry your theory is not true and might be one of the silliest comments ive ever read. I wish i could hold myself back from reading these posts becuase im so passionate about Prog music in general and there is never going to be a winner to this battle , nor should there be, it just comes down to the facts......

My point is that you don't need a solo to know a musician is just a virtuoso, just look at Steve Hackett's hands when he plays the notes Jon Anderson only knows a couple of chords to make company to his singing, that's the diference, Jon doesn't play guitar or have formal trainning, just follows the tune.

Symphony Orchestras are full of virtuoso musicians with complete and formal Classical training in Conservatories that never play a solo, but this doesn't make them less virtuoso.

I would love to know which is your criteria to valuate a musician, maybe something like: no solos is bad, one solo is mediocre, two solos is average, three solos is a virtuoso and four solos is a genius?

Yes is still making great music, preforming unbelieveable shows and genesis is nowhere to be found.

The Beatles are nowhere to be found since the early 70's, but Duran Duran and ASIA are still doing music, so what?

By the way, you can find Steve Hackett, Peter Gariel and Tony Banks making great solo albums, in the case of Tony a Classical album like Seven Suite for Orchestra considered by some critics as rhe best Clasical release of 2004, something that no Yes member (except Moraz I think), has ever done.

And he never played too many solos with Genesis

Iván

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Um, so now what your saying is, if your trained to play all types of music your a vituroso?

You simply don't want to understand, Symphony Orchestras hire the best musicians possible, all haveto be trained and a lot of them are virtuoso in their respective instruments and don't play solos, this Orchestras don't hire mediocre players.

HAHA I dont know if you know but up john lennon was shot. Its kind of hard to play music when your dead.

Don't try to a wise guy, because you aren't, John Lennon was alive from 1970 to 1980 and The Beatles didn't joined againn, what of course means absolutely nothing.

Peter gabriel is still living, if they wanted to they could go back to making good music.......but they dont

And what about that????? Are they worst musicians because they don't join again. This only means they don't want to join again, nothing more and nothing else.

Are Derek Shulman, RayShulman and Kerry Minnear bad musicians because Gentle Giant disbanded in 1980?

Peter gabriel left Genesis because of Personal reasons after the Lamb, but he didn't stayed quiet, he made a lot of great albums, Steve Hackett left Genesois because he didn't agree with the path they were taking but has by far the best solo career in Prog'.

But straight up Genesis sold out

Yes, I'm the furst critic of 3 men Genesis, everyboody knows that, but I believe that in the 70's they made better music than Yes according to my taste.

IMO 90125 and Big Generator are better than most 3 men solos Genesis albums, but still I believe they also sold out during the Rabin era.

But you're saying that only those who play solos are virtuoso this is too much. Maybe you should ask Proglover with whom I had a long and strong argument, he's better trained than me in music but I'm sure he would also laugh about this statement.

Iván

 

 

 Both bands are essential, altough both have some questionable albums(to say the least).

 Personally, I prefer Yes.

Owner is not as bad as Who Dunnit.

Norbert wrote: Owner is not as bad as Who Dunnit.

But "Who Dunnit" is not as bad as "City of Love"

Yes!

Heart > Yes & Genesis

Heart owns all.




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