Proud To Be An English Trump Supporter

The US conservative movement traditionally has been about small limited, non-intrusive and efficient government. trump is the opposite of that.

Actually Hillary won the popular vote.  The electoral college anomaly got 45 in the door.  

Clearly a troll.

Psychedelic Paul wrote: ProgAardvaark Wrote:- "I find it kind of interesting that you use the phrase "our candidate won." Are you not from England?"     Yes, I'm English, but many Trump supporters in England think of Donald Trump as our President too, because he's the candidate we would have voted for, had we been allowed to vote. He's a President who's not only Making America Great Again, he's making the world a better and safer place to live in too by thoroughly defeating ISIS and bringing peace to the  Korean peninsula for the first time in nearly 70 years. That's a tremendous achievement and President Trump should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his noble efforts.

lazland wrote: Easy Money wrote: It may surprise you that there are many conservatives and moderates who think trump is a self serving fake conservative. I have a long history in conservative political activism, which I no longer participate in because the conservative movement has gone astray. I think your knowledge of the history of the conservative political movement in the US is very limited. I find this the most interesting post of the thread. I had a long history as a trade unionist activist, which I no longer participate in because the movement no longer represents the aspirations, fears, and reality of modern working persons lives. For those of us who were active, modern politics represents a huge sea change, of which, of course, history gives many such examples. The world and the values which we held dear are moving in a different direction. Trump and Brexit are a mere foretaste of what is to come.

Re the above posts:

In my lifetime I've seen the conservative movement change from small government idealism to cultural identity and nationalism, definitely a step backwards. Although the latter more dumbed down elements were always there, they previously didn't have so much preference, or at least were more hidden.

I've seen the progressive movement change from concerns for the working class and a support for clean and healthy living conditions for all, to starting to lean towards a more media driven privileged agenda which seems way out of touch with a lot of the rest of the country.

The Dark Elf wrote: lazland wrote: Easy Money wrote: It may surprise you that there are many conservatives and moderates who think trump is a self serving fake conservative. I have a long history in conservative political activism, which I no longer participate in because the conservative movement has gone astray. I think your knowledge of the history of the conservative political movement in the US is very limited. I find this the most interesting post of the thread. I had a long history as a trade unionist activist, which I no longer participate in because the movement no longer represents the aspirations, fears, and reality of modern working persons lives. For those of us who were active, modern politics represents a huge sea change, of which, of course, history gives many such examples. The world and the values which we held dear are moving in a different direction. Trump and Brexit are a mere foretaste of what is to come. I agree, Steve. We are embarking on a leaky ship through the dangerous straits of Scylla and Charybdis. Extremism, and the empty promises espoused on either side of the aisle is the clarion call of this era. Moderation and centrism is unacceptable in this epoch of polarity. No one really cares about the vast majority of voters, massed in the middle and often forced the hold their noses and pick whichever "side" seems less odious at any given point. It's rather like choosing the most comfortable form of suicide. When politicians pander to special interests, forsaking the golden mean for political action groups who pile cash in their war chests, or worse, who reach out to the furthest extremities of their particular parties for blind and often vicious support, one wonders if rationality or even a bit of Benthamic utilitarianism can ever be returned to government. There needs to be a consideration for the greater good, rather than the getting of greater goods, if you know what I mean.  I'm sick and tired of ideologues and charlatans.

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: Clearly a troll.

How the liberal and conservative & left/right perspective has changed over the years is a key area of interest for me.

The left has a different gallery to play to these days, as heavy industry and manufacturing sectors shrink in the west, and head eastward where the labour costs are cheaper. In the UK, the Labour party had been the party of "The working man" Through its allegiance with the trade unions, it fought for workers rights and improved conditions. The relationship with business management was often somewhat fractious, depending on the industry, but by and large you knew what the party stood for. As heavy industry was shut down, Labour moved to what we regarded as "The centre" Labour became the party for business, but with an apparent social conscience, and this is where the problem started. With it's quota systems, short lists and quest for equality of outcome, the era of identity politics truly took off. The "working man" demographic included a lot of bigots, who were just as opposed to mass immigration and multiculturalism as their counterparts on the working class right. The left consequently lost much of that votebase to the far right parties, focussed on and obsessed with getting out of Europe (although ironically the Euroskeptic view was the domain of the left historically!) All labour is left with now, are coffee shop hipsters and lower middle class students studying humanities, and campaigning NOT for workers rights, or even for equality between races, genders etc, but instead for special rights for specific demographics in a attempt to create a divided society where people are awarded packages of rights depending on their ethnicity, sexuality, religion, chosen gender etc. They preach that there is "Only one race. The human race" and how we are all as one, and need to be united, while simultaneously preaching the importance of recognising and celebrating diversity and difference. It's essentially all they have left. They can't stand up for manufacturing and heavy industry now, because both are heavy polluters, and the left have green credentials they have to live up to.

A vacuum has been created and it's being filled with cretinous far right political players, who would make GW Bush blush with fear and shame. True conservatives are shaking their heads in despair, and the "working man" has no voice and no genuine representation.

I have no idea what the solution is, but I have a reasonable idea of where we are going, and it don't look good, on either side of the pond. IMO.