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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 19:03


Oh wait, I have something even scarier, it's A right-wingnut hydra, RUN AWAY!!!, RUN AWAY!!!:


http://journals.democraticunderground.com/top10/366


Edited by Slartibartfast - June 11 2009 at 19:06
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 20:46
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:



Oh wait, I have something even scarier, it's A right-wingnut hydra, RUN AWAY!!!, RUN AWAY!!!:


http://journals.democraticunderground.com/top10/366


That last one is truly nightmarish
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 20:58
^ The Democrats may be planted in faulty ideology, but at least there isn't a pandemic of batsh*t insanity running throughout the party.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 21:02
As concerned as I am with some of Obama's agenda, I can't figure out how the Republicans think we're supposed to take them seriously when they consider Sarah Palin a legitimate leader of their party.  She is so comical to me as a serious, thoughtful leader that they've lost all credibility in my eyes. 

Perhaps Pawlenty or Jindal can wrestle the spotlight away from her next time, and present a less lunatic face to  the party. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 21:16
Well it's all opinion Stoney of course. I don't agree 100%, in fact maybe not even 80% but I generally DO agree with the Democrats while my agreement % with the Republicans is below 10.....

And I agree Finnforest, as much as I would love Palin to be their candidate in '12 they would have to be flat out stupid. She would surely doom them. Jindal really would be a good choice. A nice moral and economic consertative that they need, and I hate to say it....but people really do seem to think the Republicans are an old white guy southern party.
This isn't exactly the case...but they might need to break the stigma before it DOES happen.
Rush, Dick, and Newt aren't exactly helping
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 21:31
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

As concerned as I am with some of Obama's agenda, I can't figure out how the Republicans think we're supposed to take them seriously when they consider Sarah Palin a legitimate leader of their party.  She is so comical to me as a serious, thoughtful leader that they've lost all credibility in my eyes. 

Perhaps Pawlenty or Jindal can wrestle the spotlight away from her next time, and present a less lunatic face to  the party. 
 
Most of us Canadians seem to fing Obama intriguingly intelligent and Palin increasingly bizarre.
But at least she looks decent , 'coz the others (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Limbaugh and McCain) , bad , ugly , ugly, ugly and  bad........Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 21:39
Well I don't give a rip what any of them look like, nor do I mind old people. I want competence and wisdom of some degree. 

It alarms me that a Palin could get so far in a major party without the party itself taking him/her down.  It is irresponsible the way they stick behind someone so ill prepared for the world stage and the nuke button.  And I'd say that if her pretty face graced the Democratic party as well.

And yes, for those about to point out Obama's lack of experience, I do believe there is no contest between the two in terms of gravitas.  I understand that opinion is subject to debate.  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 21:49
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Well I don't give a rip what any of them look like, nor do I mind old people. I want competence and wisdom of some degree. 

It alarms me that a Palin could get so far in a major party without the party itself taking him/her down.  It is irresponsible the way they stick behind someone so ill prepared for the world stage and the nuke button.  And I'd say that if her pretty face graced the Democratic party as well.

And yes, for those about to point out Obama's lack of experience, I do believe there is no contest between the two in terms of gravitas.  I understand that opinion is subject to debate.  Wink


See that's the thing. I agree, and I wish it was that way. But you know full well that the American voter base is VERY concerned with looks, appearance, just how the candidate comes across. And competence and wisdom has not been proven a necessity. Like I said I wish candidates were based on merit, but we know thats hardly the case. Prime example, the whole "yea but.....she's hot" thing with Palin.

Though I must agree I do ACTUALLY think Obama is an intelligent man, I'm glad to see an intellectual return to the Dems. I thought they were supposed to be the intellectual party...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 21:59
JJ, you're so right on and it just drives me insane.  This obsession with youth and looks is eventually going to kill us off.  We don't need a TV news anchor, we need a leader with the ability to form complex thoughts and a great understanding of history. 
Dry and boring is fine with me....but you are right about the voter base....clueless.  Eventually we're going to elect Kelly Ripa....hell we've already elected Al Franken.....almostLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 22:06
I do mind if all the people leading us are old white people, simply because at the very minimum won't care about the younger generation and will lag behind in understanding of scientific and technological advances. It's a good thing, though, that's not actually how our government is. It's got a wide range of people. Especially now with Obama's admin, the government's actually starting to look like America.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 22:13
Like Finn said as long as their compotent, I agree with them, and are qualified I don't care.

However, no one can deny it IS good to have a younger person in sometime. Too many old guys in a row and of course things the government will fall out of touch.
I not only agree with Obama, generally, I actually LIKE him. The latter is rare with me and politicians, esp when I like them and agree.

I think he's the closest to a "real person" we've had in office in probably a very very long time, maybe ever.
And again, even though it's a sticky subject our country has not represented women or minorities....well ever. It IS good to finally have some diversity in the Presidency, as long as their compotent which I think Obama is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 22:15
Actually I find the old care more about the young than vice versa, but that's just my experience and completely anecdotal. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 22:23
So what was Condoleezza then?  You also had Colin Powell as well.

But anyhow, what constitutes as young?  Most young politicians will be over 30 and most over 40, I should think.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 22:28
Yea that's a bit broad LOL

But we all do seem to agree competence, intelligence, all that good stuff is what counts.
And if anyone needs proof about what I said about the Republicans look at the 2004 - 2008 vote shift map. The ENTIRE country to some degree shifted torwards the Democratic party from 04-08. The only large area that trended Republican, the South.
Not to mention whatever in roads the Republicans made with minorities, which wasn't much, has evaporated, women are trending even stronger towards the Dems, as well as moderates and independents.

If I was was a Rep I would be very worried. They have to nip this in the bud or else, as history has shown, they could be down for 20-30 some years.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 22:29
30-40 is young. And really, 30 is plenty of time to get fairly well equipped to govern effectively, at least at a local level up to the House of Reps. It's pushing it for the Senate, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 22:33
Originally posted by James James wrote:

So what was Condoleezza then?  You also had Colin Powell as well.

But anyhow, what constitutes as young?  Most young politicians will be over 30 and most over 40, I should think.


IMO "young" for a politician is 40's. Our "young" Presidents were Teddy, JFK, Clinton, Obama all 42-47.

That's for President of course, young in the case of Representative would be 30's.
Think about it: Rep @ 30, lets say for 10 years. That'd put you at 40, become Senator for at least a term, is @ 46 then President.
Feasible 100% to have a young Pres with enough experience
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 22:36
So what's old then? LOL

Reagan, Carter, Nixon?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 22:41
Depends on the person.

Many people are capable of great intellectual feats well into old age. I can remember now at least that many philosophers died in their 90s and many more above their 70s, which in the past was eminently incredible.

Robert Byrd is old as hell, though, and as far as I can tell, equally senile.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 22:45
Originally posted by James James wrote:

So what's old then? LOL

Reagan, Carter, Nixon?


Well if 40's is old for Pres, and I would say standard age is 50's to EARLY 60's then old would be mid 60's on.
Reagan was DEFF old though!

And yea, Robert Byrd is an example of WAY too old.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 01:04
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:



Oh wait, I have something even scarier, it's A right-wingnut hydra, RUN AWAY!!!, RUN AWAY!!!:


http://journals.democraticunderground.com/top10/366


Why did Jon Voight jump the shark?
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