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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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![]() Oh wait, I have something even scarier, it's A right-wingnut hydra, RUN AWAY!!!, RUN AWAY!!!: ![]() http://journals.democraticunderground.com/top10/366 Edited by Slartibartfast - June 11 2009 at 19:06 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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That last one is truly nightmarish |
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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^ The Democrats may be planted in faulty ideology, but at least there isn't a pandemic of batsh*t insanity running throughout the party.
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17298 |
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As concerned as I am with some of Obama's agenda, I can't figure out how the Republicans think we're supposed to take them seriously when they consider Sarah Palin a legitimate leader of their party. She is so comical to me as a serious, thoughtful leader that they've lost all credibility in my eyes.
Perhaps Pawlenty or Jindal can wrestle the spotlight away from her next time, and present a less lunatic face to the party. |
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Well it's all opinion Stoney of course. I don't agree 100%, in fact maybe not even 80% but I generally DO agree with the Democrats while my agreement % with the Republicans is below 10.....
And I agree Finnforest, as much as I would love Palin to be their candidate in '12 they would have to be flat out stupid. She would surely doom them. Jindal really would be a good choice. A nice moral and economic consertative that they need, and I hate to say it....but people really do seem to think the Republicans are an old white guy southern party. This isn't exactly the case...but they might need to break the stigma before it DOES happen. Rush, Dick, and Newt aren't exactly helping |
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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Most of us Canadians seem to fing Obama intriguingly intelligent and Palin increasingly bizarre.
But at least she looks decent , 'coz the others (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Limbaugh and McCain) , bad , ugly , ugly, ugly and bad........
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17298 |
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Well I don't give a rip what any of them look like, nor do I mind old people. I want competence and wisdom of some degree.
It alarms me that a Palin could get so far in a major party without the party itself taking him/her down. It is irresponsible the way they stick behind someone so ill prepared for the world stage and the nuke button. And I'd say that if her pretty face graced the Democratic party as well. And yes, for those about to point out Obama's lack of experience, I do believe there is no contest between the two in terms of gravitas. I understand that opinion is subject to debate. ![]() |
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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See that's the thing. I agree, and I wish it was that way. But you know full well that the American voter base is VERY concerned with looks, appearance, just how the candidate comes across. And competence and wisdom has not been proven a necessity. Like I said I wish candidates were based on merit, but we know thats hardly the case. Prime example, the whole "yea but.....she's hot" thing with Palin. Though I must agree I do ACTUALLY think Obama is an intelligent man, I'm glad to see an intellectual return to the Dems. I thought they were supposed to be the intellectual party... Edited by JJLehto - June 11 2009 at 21:50 |
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17298 |
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JJ, you're so right on and it just drives me insane. This obsession with youth and looks is eventually going to kill us off. We don't need a TV news anchor, we need a leader with the ability to form complex thoughts and a great understanding of history.
Dry and boring is fine with me....but you are right about the voter base....clueless. Eventually we're going to elect Kelly Ripa....hell we've already elected Al Franken.....almost ![]() |
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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I do mind if all the people leading us are old white people, simply because at the very minimum won't care about the younger generation and will lag behind in understanding of scientific and technological advances. It's a good thing, though, that's not actually how our government is. It's got a wide range of people. Especially now with Obama's admin, the government's actually starting to look like America.
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Like Finn said as long as their compotent, I agree with them, and are qualified I don't care.
However, no one can deny it IS good to have a younger person in sometime. Too many old guys in a row and of course things the government will fall out of touch. I not only agree with Obama, generally, I actually LIKE him. The latter is rare with me and politicians, esp when I like them and agree. I think he's the closest to a "real person" we've had in office in probably a very very long time, maybe ever. And again, even though it's a sticky subject our country has not represented women or minorities....well ever. It IS good to finally have some diversity in the Presidency, as long as their compotent which I think Obama is. |
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17298 |
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Actually I find the old care more about the young than vice versa, but that's just my experience and completely anecdotal.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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So what was Condoleezza then? You also had Colin Powell as well.
But anyhow, what constitutes as young? Most young politicians will be over 30 and most over 40, I should think. |
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Yea that's a bit broad
![]() But we all do seem to agree competence, intelligence, all that good stuff is what counts. And if anyone needs proof about what I said about the Republicans look at the 2004 - 2008 vote shift map. The ENTIRE country to some degree shifted torwards the Democratic party from 04-08. The only large area that trended Republican, the South. Not to mention whatever in roads the Republicans made with minorities, which wasn't much, has evaporated, women are trending even stronger towards the Dems, as well as moderates and independents. If I was was a Rep I would be very worried. They have to nip this in the bud or else, as history has shown, they could be down for 20-30 some years. Edited by JJLehto - June 11 2009 at 22:31 |
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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30-40 is young. And really, 30 is plenty of time to get fairly well equipped to govern effectively, at least at a local level up to the House of Reps. It's pushing it for the Senate, though.
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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IMO "young" for a politician is 40's. Our "young" Presidents were Teddy, JFK, Clinton, Obama all 42-47. That's for President of course, young in the case of Representative would be 30's. Think about it: Rep @ 30, lets say for 10 years. That'd put you at 40, become Senator for at least a term, is @ 46 then President. Feasible 100% to have a young Pres with enough experience |
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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So what's old then?
![]() Reagan, Carter, Nixon? |
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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Depends on the person.
Many people are capable of great intellectual feats well into old age. I can remember now at least that many philosophers died in their 90s and many more above their 70s, which in the past was eminently incredible. Robert Byrd is old as hell, though, and as far as I can tell, equally senile. |
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Well if 40's is old for Pres, and I would say standard age is 50's to EARLY 60's then old would be mid 60's on. Reagan was DEFF old though! And yea, Robert Byrd is an example of WAY too old. |
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crimhead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 10 2006 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 19236 |
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Why did Jon Voight jump the shark? |
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